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Old 08-01-2018, 00:52   #41
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Se pare ca nu e nici ala asa de negru...

https://www.techspot.com/amp/article...mance-windows/
continuarea...Patched Desktop PC: Meltdown & Spectre BenchmarkedBig Slow Down for SSDs, But This Ain't Over Yet - Techspot

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Old 08-01-2018, 02:48   #42
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Au avut deja 6 luni la dispoziție și cantărstraic merge la fel, tu ce crezi?


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Timp in care au lansat inca o arhitectura rebranduita si doua noi socketuri ignorand complet problema. Sau poate aveau planificat un update subtil in stilul 'apple si bateriile'.
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Old 08-01-2018, 06:19   #43
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Slide-uri oficiale cu noua serie de procesoare Intel: Intel 8th Gen Core with Radeon RX Vega GPU presentation leaked
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:17   #44
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Eu n-am apucat sa bag update-urile pentru Meltdown/Spectre si pentru platforma mea am impresia ca nici nu mai are rost. Fara un BIOS update, n-ar fi rezolvata ca lumea treaba si daca cineva ar vrea cu adevarat sa ma hack-uiasca ar putea s-o faca.

Asadar intrebarea mea e daca merita sa-mi bat capul cu update-ul pe platforma curenta pe care o s-o mai tin vreo 6 luni, si care ar fi riscurile pentru mine ca user normal care e pe RDS, dupa un router mediocru TP-Link 1043ND V2, ruland Avast Free si care de obicei stie pe ce sa dea click si ce sa downloadeze. Si care de asemenea nu are 40 bitcoins printr-un wallet, nu trag/vizualizez porno cu copilasi, samd.
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Old 08-01-2018, 08:17   #45
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Deci ei lanseaza noi procesoare cu aceeasi buba ca si cum nimic nu s-ar fi intamplat? )
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O să facă procedura de replacement atât de complicată încât nimeni nu va apela la ea, dar ei o să o ofere ca să aibă bază la procese.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:43   #47
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Daca ati realiza cat de grava e problema, v-ati da seama ca e imposibil sa asigure inlocuirea. Si cu ce sa inlocuiasca?! Daca aveau ceva sigur, nu cred ca ar fi evitat sa apara si sa declare public cum s-au gandit sa remedieze situatia.
Ce e naspa e ca nu sunt dispusi sa-si asume greseala asta si nici remedierea ei. Mai grav, continua sa tina piata in tensiune prin lansarea de noi produse cu aceleasi probleme, probabil de teama sa nu piarda din piata.
Va dati seama ca AMD i-ar rupe, mai ales daca s-ar face diferentiere direct din software.
Foarte interesant cum se vor desfasura evenimentele.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:52   #48
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Deci ei lanseaza noi procesoare cu aceeasi buba ca si cum nimic nu s-ar fi intamplat? )


Buba este în designul procesorului, deci da, nu au cum să oprească vânzarea la ce s-a produs deja iar o nouă arhitectură probabil va ajunge pe piață în 3+ ani. Dacă opresc acum pipelineul de producție aruncă la gunoi tot şi o iau de la zero, gen.

Evident dacă era AMD în situația Intel erau morți acum. Intel o să revină pentru că au supt piața cu îmbunătățiri cu pipeta şi fără prea mult efort sau cheltuieli și oricum au aproape 99% marketshare în zona de servere. Probabil AMD o să ia ceva avânt pe spatele Intel, dar nimic impresionant.
@Boggy - da, ar trebui să pui patches, chiar și fără microcode update. Oricum la performanță nu ar trebui să te afecteze.


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Old 08-01-2018, 15:07   #49
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Problema e ca ce e mai jos de skylake inclusiv necesita si microcode update nu doar OS patches.
Anyway, ca sa stau eu linistit am anihilat "de tot" porcaria aia de ME, thanks to ME Cleaner.
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Mizerabili astia nici macar nu admit ca sunt vinovati de ceva:


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Is this a bug in Intel hardware or processor design?

No. This is not a bug or a flaw in Intel products. These new exploits leverage data about the proper operation of processing techniques common to modern computing platforms, potentially compromising security even though a system is operating exactly as it is designed to. Based on the analysis to date, many types of computing devices — with many different vendors’ processors and operating systems — are susceptible to these exploits.
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Eu n-am apucat sa bag update-urile pentru Meltdown/Spectre si pentru platforma mea am impresia ca nici nu mai are rost. Fara un BIOS update, n-ar fi rezolvata ca lumea treaba si daca cineva ar vrea cu adevarat sa ma hack-uiasca ar putea s-o faca.
Ideal ar fi ca din situatia asta:


Sa ajungem in situatia asta:


Haswell Microcode 22h vs 23h Performance and Stability Differences

Dar nu traim intr-o utopie asa ca fie ne vom multumi cu sistemele partial vulnerabile pana apare updateul de BIOS [pe care unii, cough, Dell, cough nu vor binevoi sa-l ofere pentru sisteme nu tocmai vechi desi sunt afectate], fie complet vulnerabile.

Prima varianta suna mai bine
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Old 08-01-2018, 20:11   #53
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Asta e situatia pe R7 1700x-ul meu:

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Old 08-01-2018, 20:36   #54
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la fel apare si la mine pe 6700k...
ce putem face?
cum de apare si pe amd?
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Old 08-01-2018, 21:47   #55
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Cu ce faceti acest test?

Este vreun soft de downlodat sau vreo comanda data PC?

M-ati facut curios!

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The Powershell command below will download and install a Powershell module for testing for the Meltdown and Spectre flaws.

Install-Module SpeculationControl
If you run the command and get execution errors, you might need to adjust your Powershell execution policy. Run the following command:

Set-ExecutionPolicy Bypass
Now, you know can run a second Powershell command that actually checks your system:

Get-SpeculationControlSettings
Google says that not all CPUs are vulnerable to the Meltdown and Spectre flaws, but if the result will look like this, with lots of red-colored text, then you're CPU and OS are vulnerable to these attacks. Most likely, it looks like this.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...tre-cpu-flaws/
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La mine arată și mai rău:
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După update e puțin mai bine

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Și pe windăus 7 cu update:
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E sistemul de la ”PC-ul meu”, Intel Xeon E3 1275 cu MB Asus P8Z77V Pro.
Nu cred că voi vedea prea curând (cred că deloc) un update de BIOS de la Asus pentru Z77.
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Asa arata la mine, e OK?
Dap, arata exact ca in prima poza la care am dat link in postarea mea si asa arata rezultatul daca ai doar patchul software.

Pentru cele de BIOS, suntem dependenti de Asus, Asrock, MSI, Dell etc. functie de cat de rapid le implementeaza. Dell are deja un timeline publicat aici pentru produsele lor:

Dell Meltdown and Spectre Firmware Updates Timeline
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