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Old 30-03-2010, 18:14   #1581
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Din pacate nu au filtrele puse la punct, ca mai au modele de gtx400 si de la evga si altii...
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Old 30-03-2010, 18:16   #1582
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@495 poti sa te joci depinde acum si cat de sensibil esti la fenomen:P problemele apar spre limita de 30fps si dispar daca ai peste 60fps pe un monitor de 60hz, deci daca joci resident evil 5 nu ai probleme dar in crysis, anno 1440, metro 2033, etc. e posibil sa apara ceva sacadari, cu toate ca fps-counterul iti arata un fps ridicat jocul se comporta parca ar avea mult mai putine frame-uri, dupa cum am mai zis depinde cat de sensibil esti daca nu poti face diferenta intre un monitor de 60hz si unu de 120 sau intre un x7 si un razer e posibil sa nu obesrvi microstuttering-ul
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Old 30-03-2010, 18:35   #1583
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tot pe tema microstutteringu-ului:

"In matters of micro stuttering the Geforce GTX 295 is a little less conspicuous. But we can not give and all clear, although the infamous lagging is very unobtrusive in many of the games we tested. In Race Driver Grid for example we weren't able to provoke noticeable micro stuttering at any time - even at (unplayable) 20 fps the card delivers a balanced frame output. Our test with Fraps confirmed this. In Crysis (DX10, Very High) we received similar results: The lags don't become obvious above 30 fps. On the other side there are Left 4 Dead (dt.) and Call of Duty 5, which - depending on framerate settings - reveal noticeable micro stuttering. In L4D 50 fps feel more like 30 fps on a single GPU. In Call of Duty World at War it is not as bad; here 40 fps on the GTX 295 feel like about 30 fps on a GTX 280. Not everyone notices micro stuttering, because the effect depends on one's own preferences.

In addition to this observation there is a input lag which is also connected to the function of the Alternate Frame Renderings (AFR). Dual GPU cards calculate a frame in advance (before it is displayed). Therefore the input lag becomes more annoying (like micro stuttering) if the frame rate drops. Quite logical actually, since at 30 fps a (lost) frame is more important than at 60 fps. This problem also depends on one's own preferences."

ca sa fiu corect unii spun ca microstuttering-ul e diminuat cu vsync on sau in urma unui patch, hotfix sau update de driver dar... mai ales in romania unde nu prea se cumpara jocuri originale si se trag de pe torrent in ziua cand au aparut si pana la aparitia unui patch sau driver nou le-ai si terminat vad dualGPU ca pe o solutie pretentioasa, personal observ micro stuttering-ul pt ca stiu ca este acolo
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Old 30-03-2010, 18:35   #1584
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inca mai e hype?
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Old 30-03-2010, 18:54   #1585
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@Monstru de anuntul care l-ai facut public mai de mult pe lab501 cu referire la ati/havok nu mai ai noutati ? Ca daca si cei de la ati ar face miscarea cu accelerator fizic altfel ar sta lucrurile si nu am vedea useri ca PSS care sa dea ca unic argument ca nu ia ati cu nu are asa ceva.
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Old 30-03-2010, 19:03   #1586
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ar mai fi si 3d vision sper ca seria 6*** de la ati sa aiba ceva echivalent si poate poate un bus mai mare sa se planga si tabara rosie de preturi)
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Old 30-03-2010, 19:08   #1587
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@Speed gandeste-te cat la suta din cumparatorii nvidia isi permit sa-si achizitioneze si ochelari si monitor adecvat pt 3d ? Moftul cu fizica atarna mai greu la multi useri decat cel cu suportul 3d.
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Old 30-03-2010, 19:17   #1588
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monitorul de 120hz se merita indiferent ce placa ai, la 24" pe langa acer mai apar anul asta oferte de la viewsonic, lg, asus si probabil samsung, de asta am si zis ca ar fi bine sa ofere ati suport pt 3d evantual la preturi mai mici pt ca ar duce industria spre mainstream si ar fi concurenta
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@Monstru de anuntul care l-ai facut public mai de mult pe lab501 cu referire la ati/havok nu mai ai noutati ? Ca daca si cei de la ati ar face miscarea cu accelerator fizic altfel ar sta lucrurile si nu am vedea useri ca PSS care sa dea ca unic argument ca nu ia ati cu nu are asa ceva.
Bad company 2 nu are engine optimizat Havok? Daca nu ma insel am vazut ceva de genul in intro si cladirile alea se strica misto cand dai cu un tanc sau cu bazooka in ele. Nush daca am dreptate sau daca gresesc, pentru ca am vazut la cineva, momentan nu am placa video de gaming, doar de web-browsing

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Pentru curiosi, cei de la Thermalright ofera deja solutii de racire pt. gtx 470/480:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/thermalr...ions/8708.html
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Old 30-03-2010, 19:56   #1591
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@tphase seria gtx4** nu e o ultra mega epic fail cum vrei tu sa demonstrezi o fi 480 fierbinte si consuma ea mult dar performanta e acolo, e nevoie sa-ti amintesc ca X1900 XTX si X1950 XTX au fost si ele f fierbinti la vremea lor sau de 2900xt care nici macar nu a fost asa de performanta daca nu e nimeni dispus sa astepte pana in toamna pt 28 nm pt ambele tabere un gtx 470 ar fi acum un best buy pt gameri: cu overclocking are performante de 5870 + framerate-ul minim mai mare ca la ati, la varf nu as da banii nici pe un 480 si nici pe un 5970, prima e prea scumpa si a doua e dualGPU: microstuttering in jocuri dualGPU-urile sunt facute pt bench si aplicatii nu pt jocuri
ma faci sa rad dualGPU-urile sunt facute pt bench si aplicatii nu pt jocuri==))
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Old 30-03-2010, 19:58   #1592
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Havok a fost cumparat de Intel de cativa ani. Asa ca ATi a ramas fara aceasta resursa, s-a reorientat si dezvolta openphysx inpreuna cu cei din lumea opensource (Linux) pe care vor sa il introduca in DirectCompute si OpenCL.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...n-trouble.aspx

Merg dual GPU fara probleme in jocuri. Eu nu ma pot plange decat in Assassin's Creed de microstuttering, reparat dupa un update de driver.

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Old 30-03-2010, 20:26   #1593
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Nu e vandabil pe piata in acest moment un motor de fizica accelerat pe GPU pentru ca consuma resurse inutil. Havok pe CPU, e capabil de efecte deosebite. PhysX e folosit pe GPU doar in jocurile sponsorizate [platite] de nVidia. In rest, e folosit pe CPU si in marea majoritate a jocurilor nu e folosit deloc. Tehnologiile proprietare nu au prins si nu vor prinde niciodata. De aia acum scrii in DirectX si OpenGL, nu in extensii proprietare ATI si nVidia.
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Old 30-03-2010, 20:27   #1594
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Preturile in Germania:

http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/New-Products/

Cum ziceam in urma cu vreo 2-3 pagini 2000 ron pt 480 si 1400 pentru 470 par sa fie preturile normale.
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 1,280MB review. Fermi done right? (@Hexus)

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Old 30-03-2010, 21:10   #1597
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In Bad Company aproape ORICE se poate distruge si sunt aceleasi efecte cu care se lauda Mafia 2(era un video pus cu cateva pagini in urma daca nu ma insel).
Poti sa omori inamicii pur si simplu prabusind casele pe ei sau aruncand in aer un camion si suflul/schijele omoara inamicii.
L-am terminat jocul si pot spune ca de la story la grafica este un nota 9.5 pentru mine.
De ce 9.5? Pai pentru ca am avut nevoie de 3.6ghz pe E7400 si 780/4000 frecvente la GPU ca sa pot juca, cu totul maxim in DX10 mode la 1440 rezolutie cu BSAO ON(sau cum naiba ii zice) si sa am min FPS ~30-35 si max pe la 100 si ceva

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As we know BFBC2 uses the Havok Physics engine to produce some impressive physics and destructible environments in the game but PCGH asks why they chose a middleware physics solution such as Havok and asks what his opinion is on GPU-Accelerated physics
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0AnQwO1UiM[/yt]

Deci pana la urma de ce sunt mai cu motz efectele PhysX de la nvidia fata de cele oferite de Havok??
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Ca sunt de la nvidia .. .ce sti tu ? . Au o flacara verde care ii atrage pe toti cumparatorii disperati cand vad logo nvidia =)) =))
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GeForce GTX 480

480 Cores
700MHz Core
1536MB GDDR5 RAM
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GeForce GTX 470

448 Cores
607MHz Core Clock
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Deci pana la urma de ce sunt mai cu motz efectele PhysX de la nvidia fata de cele oferite de Havok??
PhysX nu e "mai cu motz" decat havok, pentru ca nimeni nu se joaca cu C4 in spatele casei, sa analizeze daca cutiile de la minutu' 1:40 ar trebui sa se distruga in totalitate sau au un cadru dintr-un metal indistructibil, sau daca dupa ce demolezi 3 pereti ai unei case nu mai e necesar sa dai cu matura pentru ca resturile se evapora subit.

La fel si cu "aia" care dupa ce s-au jucat Counter-Strike, s-au dus la "killerit de oameni" iar la sfarsit au constat ca nu se "respawn-eaza".
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