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Old 09-07-2020, 13:24   #8101
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Ei da.

In biosurile bazate pe ultimul agesa 1.0.0.2 ( apropo AMD la capitolul denumiri sunt niste idioti, nu poti intelege ce si cum, idiotii nu sunt in stare sa puna un 1 de exemplu 1.0.1.0 cand se schimba chipsetu) pentru x570 a aparut o optiune numita ' latency enhancer' in meniul de la procesor, amd overclocking, dram timings etc. Nu e foarte usor de gasit dar exista, evident nu e o scuza pentru toti youtuberii si influencerii idioti din IT care sunt eminamente inutili si marea majoritatea priceputi la hardware cum sunt eu la gatit.

De exemplu la Asus, in speta CH8 Impact:

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/RO...HelpDesk_BIOS/

Bios 2103 bazat pe agesa v2 PI 1.0.0.2

Aceasta optiune ar trebui sa existe in teorie si la ceilalti producatori dar fiindca nu am testat nu ma pot pronunta.

Ei bine, aceasta chestiune apare doar pe procesoarele XT, am incercat si un 3800X si nu este activata.

Procesorul stock, memoria la 4133, singura diferenta intre cele doua screenuri de aida este latency enhancer disabled in prima poza si enabled in a doua.





Cu ea pe enabled:




Atentie la memory latency, precum si la testul de cache L3. Sunt foarte curios cum se manifesta aceasta chestiune in jocuri dar din pacate nu ma ocup cu asa ceva.
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Old 09-07-2020, 14:39   #8102
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E oare posibil ca aceasta optiune "latency enhancer" sa fie construita in special pentru Renoir (de exemplu 4700GE)? Asta ar explica rezultatele bune obtinute in ceea ce priveste latenta memoriei: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...t-47-6-ns.html
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Old 09-07-2020, 14:44   #8103
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Nu, rezultatele alea sunt obtinute din cauza infinity-fabric care dupa cum vezi in screenshot ruleaza la 2166 1:1 cu memoria. Pe Matisse doar cei norocosi pot rula 1900 si asta cu ceva eforturi.

S-ar putea ca si seria 4xxx sa beneficieze de acest upgrade de clock la infinity fabric, ceea ce cumulat cu un ipc crescut si alte optimizari va distruge Intel inclusiv in jocuri.
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Old 09-07-2020, 23:42   #8104
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"va distruge Intel inclusiv in jocuri" - sa speram ca gura ta aur graieste
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Old 10-07-2020, 00:15   #8105
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Ete kkt, mai pune intel un + in miriapodul ala si s-a 3.14șat pe AMD.

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Old 10-07-2020, 09:33   #8106
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Intel are un ecosistem software ce îl va ține la zi. Modul în care este scris software-ul determină câștigătorul.

LE: pentru a fi mai clar, doar avansurile în tehnica de fabricație a procesoarelor mai îmbunătățește ceva la software vechi. Îmbunătățirile arhitecturale sunt pentru tehnicile ce se folosesc acum sau în viitorul imediat.

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Old 10-07-2020, 18:09   #8107
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cumulat cu un ipc crescut si alte optimizari va distruge Intel inclusiv in jocuri.
https://www.igorslab.de/matisse-refr...e-i9-10900k/2/

Pana acum Intel spulbera amd, cu mențiunea ca nu s-au testat memoriile cum trebuie.
Dacă va fi sau nu o revoluție, aflam în testele viitoare
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Old 10-07-2020, 18:55   #8108
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Ce treaba au XT-utirile cu ce vorbeam noi? Si de cand plm 3 fps in medie inseamna ca spulbera?

Da, AMD se caca pe Intel cu sange in testele de procesor, dar in jocuri diferenta e minuscula.
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Ce treaba au XT-utirile cu ce vorbeam noi? Si de cand plm 3 fps in medie inseamna ca spulbera?

Da, AMD se caca pe Intel cu sange in testele de procesor, dar in jocuri diferenta e minuscula.
Pe unii îi roade tare probabil. Poate chiar plâng noaptea... wtf? mor
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AMD Epyc Milan Leak – Three early Genesis samples listed in A0 stepping along with core configuration and clock rates | Exclusive
https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-epyc-...d-clock-rates/
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Old 21-07-2020, 15:31   #8111
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Stie cineva cand apar noile apu's de la amd? Parca era vorba ca azi 21.
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AMD Launches 12 Desktop Renoir Ryzen 4000G Series APUs: But You Can’t Buy Them
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15921...-cant-buy-them
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AMD Launches 12 Desktop Renoir Ryzen 4000G Series APUs: But You Can’t Buy Them
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15921...-cant-buy-them
Foarte frumos. Felicitări AMD!
Cu video integrat, frumos. TDP 65W la 3600MHz, parfum.
Nu am sesizat care este diferența dintre Ryzen simplu și Ryzen PRO...
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Diferenta dintre simplu si PRO se regaseste descrisa aici:
"At the same time as the Ryzen 4000G APUs, AMD is also launching the Ryzen Pro 4000G versions for the commercial market. These specifications mirror the standard Ryzen counterparts, but fall under AMD’s Pro Technologies feature set, with additional security, manageability, and business ready pillars. This includes full memory encryption and support for DASH management, OS image stability over 18 months, guaranteed processor availability for 24 months, and enhanced QA."
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La laptopuri e o diferenta mai mare un pic. E un fel de VPro / fara Vpro de la Intel din cate vad eu.
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Nu inteleg aia cu "procesoul garantat" ptr. 24 luni. Poate functiona atata timp fara restart sau la ce se refera ?
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Scuze nu am citit tot. Merci.
Super tare, AMD, OEM, Dell, HP...
Intel ar trebui să-și facă griji.
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Old 21-07-2020, 18:33   #8118
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Nu inteleg aia cu "procesoul garantat" ptr. 24 luni. Poate functiona atata timp fara restart sau la ce se refera ?
Nu, se refera ca au acel model de procesor la vanzare cel putin 24 de luni.
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Da, are logica in context, thanks.
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Cînd apare seria 4000 pt. desktop?
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