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Old 13-06-2019, 11:56   #461
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Parca la GamersNexus am auzit ca la final de an sau poate chiar in Ianuarie/Februarie 2020 or sa apara celelalte.
Faceau comparatie cum a aparut Z370 si dupa multe luni B360.
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Old 13-06-2019, 12:37   #462
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Dap, prin 2020 apare B550.
Buna analogia cu Z370, dar nu e corecta pe AM4 ai gama completa de chipseturi B350/450 X370/470, trebuie doar un update de BIOS pentru seria 3xxx. Cand a aparut 1151 v2 aveai doar Z370, ca deh pe Z170/270 nu merge procesoarele Coffee Lake astea noi.
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Old 13-06-2019, 13:19   #463
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Eu personal am o teorie... nu stiu daca e adevarata sau nu, dar e o teorie.

Ideea este ca de ani de zile producatorii de placi de baza castiga multi bani din ceva denumit MDF, adica fonduri de marketing de la Intel. Daca la nivelul lui 2008 GBT aveau un MDF de 2-300K USD, prin 2015 asta ajunsese la 10 mil USD.

Una dintre problemele AMD, pe langa cum au mers produsele lor in trecut, este faptul ca niciodata nu au avut atatia bani de sales si marketing. De aia nici nu vezi atat de multe laptop-uri AMD - nu ca nu ar fi ok, dar nu au bani de bagat in suportat preturile si nu au cum sa ajunga la fel de ieftine ca alea Intel.

Teoria mea personala spune ca in momentul de fata gama arata asta B350/450 X370/X470/X570. Vrei top of the line, iei X570, vrei ceva mai ieftin, cu limitarile de rigoare, iei altceva. Faza este ca B450 fata de X470 de exemplu, pentru seria 2, nu aducea mare rahat de limitari. Acum toate sunt mai limitate decat X570.

Drept urmare, eu cred ca AMD i-au lasat pe producatori sa sara in sus cu preturile la X570 ca sa merite si pentru ei sa se agite pe AMD si nu doar pe Intel. Asta e teoria mea, poate gresesc. Dar asa se simte, mai ales dupa ce am vazut ca toti producatorii chiar au dat atentie seriei X570.
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Old 13-06-2019, 17:07   #464
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Eu cred ca asta e si motivul pentru care au tinut preturile jos la procesoare pentru ce performanta ofera. Ca din CPU + Mobo inca sa ai o platforma acceptabila. De exemplu:

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16 Core CPU Benchmark Leaks Out, Obliterates The Intel Core i9-9980XE 18 Core CPU in Single and Multi-Threaded Workloads

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-395...i9-9980xe/amp/


In contextul asta nu inteleg cum unii plang ca Zen2 e scump, ca AMD s-au suit cu tot cu scroafa in copaci cand 3950x de 750$ bate 9980XE de 2000$.

Si chiar daca o sa fie un pic in urma lui la general dupa un review mai aprofundat cu mai multe teste, apai eu zic ca putem sa dam 100$ in plus pe mobo pentru un pachet care face chestii de-astea.

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Old 13-06-2019, 18:12   #465
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Atunci sper ca sa existe o generatie de placi mAtx sau miniItx serioasa pentru Zen 2, pana acum nu prea erau multe modele sau care sa fie asemanatoare ca dotari etc cu cele Intel.
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AMD au zis asa... in linii mari, orice model ai avut pe Z390 o sa il ai si pe X570.
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Old 13-06-2019, 20:32   #467
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eu cred, pe principii logice, dar fara dovezi in acest sens ca e posibil ca amd, ca alte corporatii mari, sa isi faca planificarea in functie de evolutii macroeconomice.
in sua, dar si global, se manifesta deja un inceput de recensiune economica care o sa faca pabuge estimate de specialisti minore, mai tarziu. la noi, unul din alarmistii de serviciu pe acest subiect a fost sov.ro . urmarile trade tarifs nu sunt prognosticabile
tradus in vanzari, dar pe behaviorism economic ar fi asa:
2019 - vanzari fara compromis = x570
2020 - vanzari economice, deci minus 100$ = b550
asta ar putea fi prognoza lor.
asta inseamna ca dinamismul actiunilor amd va inregistra scaderi nesemnificative pe termen lung, anul viitor, in detrimentul asa-zisilor investitori care au cumparat anul asta scump.
disclaimer: nu sunt analist economic, nu urmaresc piata si nici nu imi pasa de ea. prin urmare, nu va recomand sa tineti cont de postarea asta.
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Indiferent cat de overpriced e un produs, tot se gasesc o gramada de idioti sa il cumpere.

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Tot vorbeam de lup:
ASMedia-sourced AMD B550, A520 Chipset Motherboards Arrive in 2020
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AMD X590 Chipset Reportedly In The Works – Designed For Premium AMD Ryzen 3000 CPUs, Higher PCIe 4.0 Lanes, Much Higher Priced Than X570 Boards - Wccftech
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ASUS TUF X570 Plus And Pro WS X570-ACE Evaluations Posted Ahead Of Launch - Wccftech
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Old 18-06-2019, 11:46   #473
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AMD X590 Chipset Reportedly In The Works – Designed For Premium AMD Ryzen 3000 CPUs, Higher PCIe 4.0 Lanes, Much Higher Priced Than X570 Boards - Wccftech
x570 e noul x370

poate ajung intel din urma edit: si la ram.
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Old 18-06-2019, 13:03   #474
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Probabil ca trebuia sa fi postat la oferte speciale...
Iata o oferta acum la o placa de baza X470.
ASRock X470 Master SLI, Socket AM4
La 500lei mi se pare un best buy (are 4+2 etaje de alimentare, dublate: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEjCq_bO4Uc ).

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Old 18-06-2019, 21:20   #475
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"Low-endu" de la Gigi arata bine.


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MSI X570 Motherboards Start Upward of 200€
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@Monstru, ai idee daca placile noi pentru Ryzen 3xxx vor suporta si 128gb RAM/8 sloturi DDR4? Imi fac un calcul la bani, ma gandeam sa iau 64GB momentan, dar sa pot face upgrade daca cumva va fi nevoie pe viitor.

Sau asta e o alta delimitare intre Ryzen/Threadripper?
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Nu am văzut nicio placa cu 8 sluturi pe am4


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Ar fi culmea sa existe o asemena chestie, numai ideea in sine o prostie maxima, dat fiind ca vorbim de procesor dual channel, ar insemna sa suporte 4 DIMMs per channel, lol.
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@Monstru, ai idee daca placile noi pentru Ryzen 3xxx vor suporta si 128gb RAM/8 sloturi DDR4? Imi fac un calcul la bani, ma gandeam sa iau 64GB momentan, dar sa pot face upgrade daca cumva va fi nevoie pe viitor.

Sau asta e o alta delimitare intre Ryzen/Threadripper?
Nu. Apar in schimb stick-uri de capacitate mare pentru 128GB pe 4 slot-uri (32GB per stick)
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