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Old 23-07-2019, 11:22   #3101
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Caderea de tensiune si faptul ca pc-ul nu porneste nu au nici o legatura.



Am schimbat sursa (care nu are nimic evident) cu alta si pc-ul tot nu a pornit.

M-am scarpinat in cap si am incaput sa apas pe cabluri: cand am apasat pe cablul de extensie ATX 12V cu 8 pini ... a pornit.



Am niste calburi de extensie Phanteks: link.



Diseara ma uit la conectori: extensii + placa de baza.
Well, that's lucky. Annoying to troubleshoot, but lucky.

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Eu speram sa fie placa de baza sa o schimb pe garantie ... dar na.

Si nu pot sa nu ma gandesc pana ajung acasa si desfac cablul ala din placa de baza ce o sa-i pot face mufei: ca e trasa prin spatele placii de baza extensia aia si tot sistemul e watercooled ...
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Old 23-07-2019, 11:48   #3103
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Si nu pot sa nu ma gandesc pana ajung acasa si desfac cablul ala din placa de baza ce o sa-i pot face mufei: ca e trasa prin spatele placii de baza extensia aia si tot sistemul e watercooled ...
Simplu... cumperi altă extensie și o tragi la modul cel mai oribil, inuman și inestetic prin față. Pe aia veche o lași acolo unde este și o mai scoți la Paști, sau cānd ai tu timp.
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Pai pot baga direct cablul sursei asa ... inuman prin fata.

O sa desfac mufa si poate o bibilesc un pic pe pozitie. Poate e ceva innegrit pe acolo ... desi ce overclock puteam sa fac cu Ryzen 1600 si 3600 sa belesc cabluri?


L.E. Am desfacut complet pc-ul.

Initial am verificat cablul prelungitor si pinii. Pareau ca fac contact, doar unul parea mai largit si l-am strans la loc cu o penseta. Apoi l-am pus la loc si pc-ul nu a mai vrut sa porneasca. In acel moment am decis sa il desfac bucatele.

Am scos toate cablurile care treceau pe sub placa de baza: atx 24, cpu 12V si inca un cablu pentru un splitter de ventilatoare.
Am scos evident placa de baza afara, am periat-o si aspirat-o. Am periat si restul componentelor: placa video, cpu block, etc.

Am pus totul inapoi cu sursa initiala si toate cablurile prelungitoare si acum porneste ok. Sa vedem cat tine.

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Old 06-08-2019, 00:15   #3105
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Acum cāțiva ani ,mi se īnchidea pc-ul cānd mișcam unitatea. Buba era tot mufa atx 8 pini.Am zis că nu o mai mișc și gata dar după o lună nu a mai pornit. Desfac ,mă uit și mufa de pe placa topita iar pinii negri și īndoiți. A trebuit să iau o placa bulita și să schimb mufa cu tot cu pini.La sursa am schimbat doar plasticul...

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La mine merge fara greturi de cand am scos toate cablurile de sub placa de baza (erau bagata intre placa de baza si carcasa). Ceva atingea/presa si nu o mai lua ...

Mufele si conectorii nu au nimic.
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...nu știu dacă e o problemă hardware sau software, dar...
Se dă sistem cu Windows 10, boxe Edifier R2730DB legate la PC prin Optical Out.
Īn browser (Chrome/Opera), cānd dau click-uri pe diverse pagini, se aude un click slab īn boxe (similar cu pop-urile de pe un vinil) la scurt timp după ce īncepe să se īncarce pagina și īncă unul atunci cānd pagina a finalizat īncărcarea. Pe unele site-uri se aude aproape la fiecare pagină īncărcată, pe altele mai rar și pe altele doar ocazional. Printre cele care īn mod constant prezintă problema este PCGarage.ro. Practic la fiecare pagină vizitată se aud click-urile astea īn boxe. Foarte slab, dar se aud.

Chestia ciudată este că am īncercat să le īnregistrez cu Audacity (Windows WASAPI, PC Optical (loopback), stereo/mono) și nu se aud deloc, deși eu le aud clar cānd dau clicks. Deci ori nu am setat eu cum trebuie, ori sursa se află īn altă parte.

Al lucru interesant este că īn Chrome se aud aceste sunete, īn Opera se aud, īn Edge nu se aud, īn Firefox nu se aud.

I'm puzzled.

Pānă la urmă am luat webcam-ul, l-am lipt de boxe, am īnregistrat cum face īn Chrome. Click me.
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Inearca cu o sesiune privata in chrome si cu setarile maxime de siguranta: do not track, disable tracking la serviciile google...
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@war4peace Se intampla doar cand placa de retea face ceva? Daca da e posibil sa fie de la dpc latency.
Am patit exact acelasi lucru de la un driver de casti pe usb. Stiu, care e legatura cu placa de retea, nu?
Ca sa verifici daca e de la dpc downloadezi LatencyMon, dai start si dai clickuri in browser. Daca atunci cand se aud pocniturile e si spike in LatencyMon aia e.
Tot in LatencyMon in tab-ul Drivers poti vedea si care drivere cauzeaza latenta si poate reusesti sa rezolvi
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@antiqque Placa de rețea face cāte ceva tot timpul.
Am rulat LatencyMon, pops and clicks pe PCGarage.ro cu grămada, LatencyMon este foarte fericit cu highest DPC routine execution time de 381 de microsecunde (ndis.sys) și ISR routine de 94 de microsecunde la dxgkrnl.sys.
@kobro pops and clicks face și īn private session, și īn Opera care e freshly installed și cu nimic conectat (gen conturi) și fără addons.

LE: am dezactivat și Avast Antivirus, nicio modificare īn bine. Aceleași pops and clicks.

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CONCLUSION
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Your system appears to be suitable for handling real-time audio and other tasks without dropouts. 
LatencyMon has been analyzing your system for  0:00:25  (h:mm:ss) on all processors.


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
SYSTEM INFORMATION
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Computer name:                                        WAR4PEACE
OS version:                                           Windows 10 , 10.0, version 1809, build: 17763 (x64)
Hardware:                                             All Series, ASUS, ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC., X99-A II
CPU:                                                  GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6800K CPU @ 3.40GHz
Logical processors:                                   12
Processor groups:                                     1
RAM:                                                  32678 MB total


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CPU SPEED
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Reported CPU speed:                                   4251 MHz

Note: reported execution times may be calculated based on a fixed reported CPU speed. Disable variable speed settings like Intel Speed Step and AMD Cool N Quiet in the BIOS setup for more accurate results.

WARNING: the CPU speed that was measured is only a fraction of the CPU speed reported. Your CPUs may be throttled back due to variable speed settings and thermal issues. It is suggested that you run a utility which reports your actual CPU frequency and temperature. 



_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
MEASURED INTERRUPT TO USER PROCESS LATENCIES
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The interrupt to process latency reflects the measured interval that a usermode process needed to respond to a hardware request from the moment the interrupt service routine started execution. This includes the scheduling and execution of a DPC routine, the signaling of an event and the waking up of a usermode thread from an idle wait state in response to that event.

Highest measured interrupt to process latency (µs):   185.40
Average measured interrupt to process latency (µs):   4.065307

Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs):       183.10
Average measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs):       1.822763


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 REPORTED ISRs
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Interrupt service routines are routines installed by the OS and device drivers that execute in response to a hardware interrupt signal.

Highest ISR routine execution time (µs):              94.450247
Driver with highest ISR routine execution time:       dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total ISR routine time (%):          0.438233
Driver with highest ISR total time:                   dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in ISRs (%)                          0.441429

ISR count (execution time <250 µs):                   60253
ISR count (execution time 250-500 µs):                0
ISR count (execution time 500-999 µs):                0
ISR count (execution time 1000-1999 µs):              0
ISR count (execution time 2000-3999 µs):              0
ISR count (execution time >=4000 µs):                 0


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REPORTED DPCs
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DPC routines are part of the interrupt servicing dispatch mechanism and disable the possibility for a process to utilize the CPU while it is interrupted until the DPC has finished execution.

Highest DPC routine execution time (µs):              381.228887
Driver with highest DPC routine execution time:       ndis.sys - Network Driver Interface Specification (NDIS), Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total DPC routine time (%):          0.198156
Driver with highest DPC total execution time:         dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in DPCs (%)                          0.340093

DPC count (execution time <250 µs):                   153011
DPC count (execution time 250-500 µs):                0
DPC count (execution time 500-999 µs):                9
DPC count (execution time 1000-1999 µs):              0
DPC count (execution time 2000-3999 µs):              0
DPC count (execution time >=4000 µs):                 0


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
 REPORTED HARD PAGEFAULTS
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Hard pagefaults are events that get triggered by making use of virtual memory that is not resident in RAM but backed by a memory mapped file on disk. The process of resolving the hard pagefault requires reading in the memory from disk while the process is interrupted and blocked from execution.

NOTE: some processes were hit by hard pagefaults. If these were programs producing audio, they are likely to interrupt the audio stream resulting in dropouts, clicks and pops. Check the Processes tab to see which programs were hit.

Process with highest pagefault count:                 avastsvc.exe

Total number of hard pagefaults                       3
Hard pagefault count of hardest hit process:          1
Number of processes hit:                              3


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 PER CPU DATA
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CPU 0 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       2.065765
CPU 0 ISR highest execution time (µs):                94.450247
CPU 0 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.888080
CPU 0 ISR count:                                      39893
CPU 0 DPC highest execution time (µs):                381.228887
CPU 0 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.676102
CPU 0 DPC count:                                      119747
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CPU 1 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       1.281440
CPU 1 ISR highest execution time (µs):                93.233592
CPU 1 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.434120
CPU 1 ISR count:                                      18042
CPU 1 DPC highest execution time (µs):                252.223947
CPU 1 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.265110
CPU 1 DPC count:                                      24516
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 2 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.314878
CPU 2 ISR highest execution time (µs):                7.645260
CPU 2 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.000887
CPU 2 ISR count:                                      727
CPU 2 DPC highest execution time (µs):                351.150318
CPU 2 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.061665
CPU 2 DPC count:                                      4329
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 3 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.127910
CPU 3 ISR highest execution time (µs):                11.665020
CPU 3 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.000267
CPU 3 ISR count:                                      55
CPU 3 DPC highest execution time (µs):                60.823336
CPU 3 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.001665
CPU 3 DPC count:                                      455
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 4 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.138174
CPU 4 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0.0
CPU 4 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.0
CPU 4 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 4 DPC highest execution time (µs):                22.188661
CPU 4 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.00170
CPU 4 DPC count:                                      608
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 5 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.11530
CPU 5 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0.0
CPU 5 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.0
CPU 5 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 5 DPC highest execution time (µs):                36.006587
CPU 5 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.001164
CPU 5 DPC count:                                      358
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 6 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.130735
CPU 6 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0.0
CPU 6 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.0
CPU 6 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 6 DPC highest execution time (µs):                56.334039
CPU 6 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.002229
CPU 6 DPC count:                                      579
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 7 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.117358
CPU 7 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0.0
CPU 7 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.0
CPU 7 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 7 DPC highest execution time (µs):                57.714420
CPU 7 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.001679
CPU 7 DPC count:                                      427
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 8 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.132968
CPU 8 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0.0
CPU 8 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.0
CPU 8 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 8 DPC highest execution time (µs):                38.157610
CPU 8 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.001683
CPU 8 DPC count:                                      463
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
CPU 9 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.119798
CPU 9 ISR highest execution time (µs):                3.233122
CPU 9 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.000932
CPU 9 ISR count:                                      1536
CPU 9 DPC highest execution time (µs):                19.977417
CPU 9 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.001135
CPU 9 DPC count:                                      344
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CPU 10 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.140148
CPU 10 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0.0
CPU 10 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.0
CPU 10 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 10 DPC highest execution time (µs):                70.303458
CPU 10 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.002655
CPU 10 DPC count:                                      565
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CPU 11 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0.123369
CPU 11 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0.0
CPU 11 ISR total execution time (s):                   0.0
CPU 11 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 11 DPC highest execution time (µs):                67.012938
CPU 11 DPC total execution time (s):                   0.003493
CPU 11 DPC count:                                      629
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In Safe Mode cu Networking face la fel? Prizele in care ai calculatorul si boxele au impamantare?

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Intr-adevar la 381 nu ar trebui sa fie probleme, trebuie sa treaca de 1000+ ca sa faca figuri.
Well, macar ai eliminat o posibila cauza.
Si eu m-am luptat mult cu problema asta pana am rezolvat, multa bafta
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@Boggy pe jack am căștile Sennheiser RS 165 și pe ele nu se aud pops/clicks. La PC am īmpămāntare, boxele nu au īmpămāntare (așa sunt construite, vezi poza).

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Era vorba de un test... pui boxele pe jack si vezi dacă tot așa fac.


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Habar n-am unde am pus cablul jack-jack de la boxe, cānd īl găsesc o să īncerc și asta.
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Pateam inainte ceva similar cand dadeam scroll la pagini cu un mosue genius. Cu alt mouse nu facea...
Altadata am mai remarcat la munca ceva similar cu o placa de sunet mai veche de la soundblaster... pe integrata nu facea.
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Update, am testat diverse combinații de calitate a sunetului din Control Panel. Cānd apăs pe butonașul „Test”, se aude pocnet īnainte și după sunetul de test. Practic sunetul īncepe cu un pocnet și se termină cu un pocnet. Asta se īntāmplă doar ījn boxe, de fiecare dată (problemă repetabilă). Īn căști nu face așa.

Cablul optic era nou atunci cānd l-am legat la boxe, era cumpărat special pentru ele.
Īncep să cred că e o problemă cu partea de optical a plăcii de bază. Ciudat e că īn jocuri nu face deloc așa.
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Chestii simple, cum ar fi reinstalarea de driver, banuiesc ai incercat?
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