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Old 30-05-2017, 17:14   #3581
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Ce TDP-uri bai nene, bai!Cu doar 100MHz,unde mai pui ca n-are nici iGPU...cred ca buba e la platforma,unde eficienta pare o cauza pierduta!
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Old 30-05-2017, 17:46   #3582
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Se cunoaste ca AMD sunt back in the game at the end of the day. Ii "sutuieste" de la spate cu noua lor platforma pentru Threadripper.
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Old 30-05-2017, 18:12   #3583
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Daca aia 30% sunt formati din 15% de la gen.6 la gen.7 si 15% de la gen. 7 la gen.8 e cel putin suspect, pentru ca toti stim ce "salt" a fost de la 6 la 7...
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Old 30-05-2017, 19:33   #3584
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Ca sa fac un rezumat la segmentul mainstream pornind de la Sandy Bridge lansat in 2011:
SB = 100%
IB = 105%
HW = 110%
BW = 115%
SL/KL = 120%
CoffeeLake = 125% - eu banui ca Intel nu va oferi mai mult!
In 7 ani avem un salt de 20% la IPC!! Din 2003 pana in 2010 saltul de la Pentium 4 northwood la Lynnfield a fost de cat? 100% sau mai mult? Ceea ce ne ofera Intel de 7 ani poarta un nume pe care nu pot sa-l zic ca o sa fiu banat!
PS: de aceea urmatorul sistem va fi AMD chiar daca e cu 10% mai slab la IPC fata de Intel!

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Old 30-05-2017, 20:00   #3585
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@Artanis: adica 0, fiind aceeasi arhitectura, doar cu frecvente mai mari. (Skylake-kabyLake)
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Old 30-05-2017, 20:01   #3586
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Vreti sa zici de localitatea din Croatia?
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Old 30-05-2017, 22:42   #3587
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I like what intel is doing ))
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Old 31-05-2017, 07:08   #3588
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intel zice prea multe cu "sportul" de performanta. au luat doar banii nici nu au avut pana acum de ce sa forteze nota cand stiau ca toata lumea va cumpara Intel parca AMD nici nu exista.
oare de ce nu au introdus de la bun inceput core i2-2 core-uri, core i4-4 core-uri, samd.
atatea modele pe piata, unele vrajeli, altele performanta, core-uri multe si scumpe ca nevoia.
core i9 2000 de dolari...sunt curios cu ce preturi vine AMD.
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Old 31-05-2017, 08:35   #3589
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Ăștia cer 2000 de parai în condițiile în care au ceva concurență. Cât ar fi cerut dacă nu veneau amd cu ryzen? (bine, ei oricum nu ar fi scos mai mult de 10 core dacă nu era ryzen)
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Old 31-05-2017, 13:00   #3590
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Multumim Amd..........
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Old 31-05-2017, 15:49   #3591
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Din partea mea Intel poate sa ceara si $20.000, cine dracu o sa le cumpere daca AMD Threadripper o sa fie similar sau mai bun in performanta la un pret mai mic (decent). Ryzen e un succes pentru AMD, daca cu divizia de GPU-uri o tot lalaie, macar la CPU-uri stau foarte bine, pana la urma AMD-ul este o companie de CPU-uri din nastere, era clar ca o sa-si revina.


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Old 31-05-2017, 17:11   #3592
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Tot nu am inteles miscarea asta cu pasta termica, de ce au pus si la modelele Highend, parca se autosaboteaza.
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Nu se autosaboteaza cu nimic. Asculta putin ce zice pro overclockerul ala despre solder si pasta. Ambele metode au parti pozitive si negative. Zice ca solder in timp poate sa crape si pa, pe cand pasta se poate schimba si o duci asa nelimitat. Inveti lucruri noi mereu.

Uite si un articol care demonstreaza lucrul asta: http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-...cpu-soldering/

Probabil ca de-aia Intel aleg pasta si nu solder, nu neaparat din pricina costului.
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Si cate procente fac OC la pcu si cat tine lumea un procesor ca sa nu crape?
I7 2600k inca nu a crapat...

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Old 31-05-2017, 17:45   #3595
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Nu stiu, nici 2600K meu n-a crapat inca si ruleaza la 4.80 GHz de cateva luni incoace. Dar daca pro overclockeri spun ca soldering-ul are ocazia sa crape, asa o fi. Pasta o mai schimbi daca nu face treaba dupa un timp, dar soldering-ul nu-l mai schimbi daca crapa, e RIP CPU-ul. E un risc, o posibiltiate, luati-o cu putina sare, nu e ceva ce se intampla des.
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Old 31-05-2017, 18:00   #3596
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@R2Strike aberezi iar......fi sigur ca fix pentru aia 2$ economisiti pune Intel pasta aia de rahat, iar de mediu ii doar fix in cur.

Ca sa schimbi pasta la un CPU ai un pic de lucru, nu e chiar o chestie user friendly, chiar risti sa strici CPU-ul, iar garantia nu iti acopera treaba asta.

Eu nu am auzit niciodata/n-am vazut pe nici un forum sa se planga cineva ca i-a murit CPU din cauza ca era soldered si a crapat....

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Old 31-05-2017, 18:05   #3597
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Bullcrap. " Intel used an Indium based solder TIM with a melting point of 157C".

In caz ca treci peste el cu excavatorul si crapa solder-ul, il incingi cu heatgun-ul sau il bagi in cuptor la 180C pentru 5-10 minute si-si revine.

Plus ca n-are cum pnm sa "crape" solderul ala inauntru. Joc nu are sa crape mecanic, iar sa crape de la dilatare/contractie slabe sanse. In cel mai rau caz apar micro-fisuri care nu afecteaza in niciun fel transferul termic. Oricum, solderul in general e mai flexibil.

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-Indium is ductile and malleable which allows it to deform and fill in the uneven microstructure of two mating parts, using only moderate pressure.
-This ductility and malleability is retained at cryogenic temperatures so that an assembly can maintain an effective seal, even in harsh environments
-With a relatively high thermal conductivity of 86W/mK @ 85°C, indium is widely used in thermal management applications to dissipate the heat produced by electronic components.
-Indium compensates for different coefficients of thermal expansion (CTE) when bonding dissimilar parts.
-Even in small percentages, indium can improve the thermal fatigue performance of solders used in electronics assembly.
-Several indium-containing alloys melt at temperatures less than 180°C, making them ideal for step soldering or applications that require lower reflow temperatures.
-Indium has a low vapor pressure, making it suitable for use in high vacuum applications.
-Indium alloys enable solders to withstand drop tests better than other low melting alloys.
Plus ca vorba lui Otman, cred ca doar 0.5% din useri se baga la un delid, poate chiar mai putin. Despre ce vorbim aici?
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@R2Strike aberezi iar......fi sigur ca fix pentru aia 2$ economisiti pune Intel pasta aia de rahat, iar de mediu ii doar fix in cur.

Ca sa schimbi pasta la un CPU ai un pic de lucru, nu e chiar o chestie user friendly, chiar risti sa strici CPU-ul, iar garantia nu iti acopera treaba asta.

Eu nu am auzit niciodata/n-am vazut pe nici un forum sa se planga cineva ca i-a murit CPU din cauza ca era soldered si a crapat....

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Ma cat de hater sa fi sa zici lucrul asta. Dupa ce am pus si video si link sa dovedesc ca e o posibilitate, un risc, chiar daca nu se intampla des. Am si zis "E un risc, o posibiltiate, luati-o cu putina sare, nu e ceva ce se intampla des." da ma rog, unii citesc fix printre randuri si inteleg doar ce vor ei, m-am obisnuit cu genul asta de caractere.
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Old 31-05-2017, 18:24   #3599
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Da mah l-am citit, de acolo am luat si informatia cu 2$ economie si "marele impact" asupra mediului pe care procesoarele soldered il au......ce sa zic.

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WOW ai video si link....asta inseamna ca asa e....ai descoperit un adevar absolut.........BRAVO.........faci parte dintre aia care cred, pentru ca e pe NET sau la TV.
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Bai hatere du-te tare... atat iti zic, am vazut cum te-ai luat in gura cu unii aici doar ca au zis ca PS4 nu se compara cu PC-ul ca platforma si te-ai deranjat foarte tare, asa ca n-am pretentii mari de la unul ca tine sa inteleaga anumite chestii.
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