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Old 15-08-2017, 11:02   #9561
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Radeon RX Vega On Linux: High-Performance GPUs & Open-Source No Longer An Oxymoron
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...a-linux1&num=1

Bună lansarea! Au făcut treabă bună mâna de dezvoltatori cu driverele AMD , iar optimizările nu s-au terminat. Până la urmă contează foarte mult software-ul. Degeaba ai hardware puternic dacă nu e folosit. Din păcate mai sunt multe de făcut, vulkan și opencl sunt doar două. Mai e audio prin HDMI, etc.
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Eu sunt curios cum se va comporta memoria "especial" în FarCry 5 și Wolfenstein 2.
Momentan Vega ii castrat pentru minat, wait for it. Poate mult mai bine.
Chiar ma uitam pe techpowerup, RX 580 în unele jocuri ii cot la cot cu GTX 980 Ti, ba chiar diferența de 2 fps. (review Vega)
Înseamnă că AMD "mișcă" driverele.
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Cred ca amd au gandit-o bine cu eficienta. Winter is coming. Daca iei in considerare ca nu mai dai drumu la incalzire iesi mai bine.
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Old 15-08-2017, 14:46   #9564
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Se pare ca Vega merge foarte bine undervolt si desi ii faci undervolt, mai si duce ceva OC bonus, plus...driverele AMD se stie ca-s penale la inceput. 480 cand a aparut era -15, -20% mai slab decat GTX 1060, acum e cel putin egal in unele jocuri si peste in altele. Sunt sigur ca si la Vega va fi la fel, AMD sunt mai lenti.
LE: Previziunea mea e asa peste 3 luni: 56 bate lejer 1070, Vega mare bate lejer 1080. Dar din cauza pretului de lansare, este un mega fail. 56 trebuie sa fie 1800, iar ala mare maxim 2300 lei. Din pacate, s-au lacomit, abia in cateva luni cu drivere vor face ceva si intre timp, scoate NVIDIA noutati, deci mega fail.
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@DeDeRa: Eu nu stiu de unde ai scos cifrele de 15 si 20% Overall la lansare GTX 1060 avea un avans de 10% fata de RX 480 in DX11:

Hardwarecanucks 1060 Review



Techspot GTX 1060 Review

Avans care s-a evaporat intr-un interval de 6 luni, corect. Dar, daca luam in considerare demoul de la inceputul anului cu Vega vs 1080, mie imi rezulta faptul ca timp de 7 luni performanta Vega nu s-a miscat deloc. Tot la bataie cu 1080 a fost la inceputul anului, tot acolo e si acum. RX Vega n-a adus nimic in plus fata de Vega FE, cum era de asteptat

Mai trebuie sa adaugi in ecuatie ca odata ce Vega FE a inceput sa ameninte pozitia Titan Xp si Quadro P5000 in piata prosumer, Nvidia a reactionat si a scos un driver care a crescut performanta exponential in aplicatii profesionale:

Titan Xp Pro Performance with 385.12
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Catia - 72% Increase
Creo - 107% Increase
Energy - 54% Increase
Medical - 53% Increase
SNX - 654% Increase
Solidworks - 95% Increase
Si Nvidia pot lejer sa implementeze optimizari, iar acuma ca nu au motiv sa grabeasca Volta nu au de ce sa repete schema facuta cu generatia Kepler in care au omis optimizarile in timp ce pe Maxwell le-au implementat

Insa problema cea mai mare o reprezinta in continuare pretul.
Vega 64 cu performanta apropiata de 1080 la pret de 1080 nu ajuta deloc competitia si nu ofera un motiv indeajuns de bun pentru a fi cumparata. Optimizari ulterioare de care nu suntem siguri avand in vedere ca in 7 luni ei n-au miscat deloc in front nu e un motiv solid IMHO.
Idem pentru Vega 56.

Iar aici intervine ultima gaselnita AMD:

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We have confirmed that this Ł100 price increase has not been caused by retailers, as they have only been supplied with a limited amount of standalone RX Vega 64 "black" (Reference) products.
[..]
This means that this "price" increase is not from retailers but was an intentional move from AMD, increasing the price of the RX Vega 64 by over 20%. This price increase is not from retailers or due to supply and demand, retailers were simply provided with a limited number of RX Vega 64 GPUs that could sell at AMD's original MSRP.
Cu un price premium de 100USD/EUR/GBP atat pe Vega 64 cat si pe Vega 56 fata de modelele cu care concureaza din oferta Nvidia, e DOA oricat de mult mai mulg 5-10% in plus in urmatoarea jumatate de an.
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Vega la oferta:

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/...ega64-8g-hbm2/

Numai o VEGA la 4300 lei! Cine mai doeste, cine mai pofteste.

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Eu sunt curios cum se va comporta memoria "especial" în FarCry 5 și Wolfenstein 2.
Momentan Vega ii castrat pentru minat, wait for it. Poate mult mai bine.
Chiar ma uitam pe techpowerup, RX 580 în unele jocuri ii cot la cot cu GTX 980 Ti, ba chiar diferența de 2 fps. (review Vega)
Înseamnă că AMD "mișcă" driverele.
Ca tot vorbeam de drivere.

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De un an cred ca nu mai am radeon additional settings ca sa controlez saturation, a fost raportat bug-ul asta de o gramada de timp, au promis ca il repara si nema, asa ca nu m-as baza pe faptul ca AMD se misca.


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De un an cred ca nu mai am radeon additional settings ca sa controlez saturation, a fost raportat bug-ul asta de o gramada de timp, au promis ca il repara si nema, asa ca nu m-as baza pe faptul ca AMD se misca.


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Nu știu tu cum nu îl ai, dar restul îl au. Vezi guru3d forum..
A fost rezolvata problema.
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Deci pilaf si la minat?
...Dimpotriva:

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-rad...chain-ethereum

"...As you can see, we’re getting some pretty significant gains already (at stock speeds) with this beta driver. We wouldn’t be surprised if there are even further optimizations to be found, once AMD is ready to go with a production driver, but we’ll take what we can get right now. We did have one performance anomaly that we ran into, however. When cranking up the memory speeds, the Vega 56 actually vaulted past the Vega 64, cranking out 36.48 MH/s. That’s not bad for a card that's supposed to retail for $399."

Mult noroc celor care vor dori vreuna pentru gaming (Vega 56 e chiar OK din ce am vazut, insa cred ca trebuie asteptate variantele custom- racirea stock e de tip blower, a.k.a. zgomotoasa)
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Acum sa vedem si la ce pret apare si cind apare, Vega 56.
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Acum sa vedem si la ce pret apare si cind apare, Vega 56.
Septembrie si la pretul pe care il doresc comersantii (adica umflat)

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https://hothardware.com/news/amd-rad...chain-ethereum

Mult noroc celor care vor dori vreuna pentru gaming (Vega 56 e chiar OK din ce am vazut, insa cred ca trebuie asteptate variantele custom- racirea stock e de tip blower, a.k.a. zgomotoasa)
Vezi numai o parte a problemei (performanta bruta), la minat conteaza enorm eficienta si pretul placii video, iar la capitolul asta Vega sta prost. Rezultatele din tabel sunt neoptimizate, prin optimizare pot creste cu 4-5 MH/s.
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Nu știu tu cum nu îl ai, dar restul îl au. Vezi guru3d forum..
A fost rezolvata problema.
Stii cum a fost rezolvata problema? DDU, bagi un driver vechi care continea radeon additional settings dupa care update la noul driver. Daca faci "clean install" la ultimul driver, sau chiar la ultimele drivere din ultimul an, n-o sa ai nici macar urma de additional settings. Asa ca da, e rezolvata problema, dar nu de ei, desi s-au laudat vreo cateva update-uri la rand ca o vor rezolva.

Nu ma intelege gresit, ma doare-n cot de firma producatoare atata timp cat imi satisface nevoile, ca dovada ca am AMD, doar ca nu pot avea cuvinte de lauda despre competenta lor in a livra drivere bune atata timp cat nu pot sa readuca un panou de setari ce candva il aveau. E nevoie de guru3d si workaround-uri ca sa rezolve o problema banala prezenta de atata timp? 16.x, reboot, update la 17.x, reboot, du-te in folderul AMD si ia separat installer-ul de CC, reboot.

Cat despre "nu stiu cum tu nu ai, dar restul il au", poftim: https://community.amd.com/thread/216944. Nu stiu ce esantion ai ales pentru restu', dar daca e acela care foloseste workaround-ul de pe guru3d, asta nu inseamna ca AMD livreaza driverele cum trebuie. Ca sa nu mai zic ca inchid thread-uri dupa thread-uri care sesiseaza aceasta problema fara a da macar un raspuns. Inteleg ca pot aparea probleme, e normal, e omenesc, altele se repara mai usor, altele mai greu, dar vorbim de o problema ce dateaza de anul trecut. Vorbim de o companie care vrea sa se bata cu Nvidia la performante. Acum, persoana care a avut AMD o perioada lunga de timp si care a vazut ca nu pot rezolva o problema dupa atata timp(reintroducerea unei functii ce a existat, si exista prin workaround-uri), cum o conving ei sa cumpere tot AMD sau sa creada vesnica replica"AMD o sa rupa dupa cateva drivere" etc ?

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Vezi numai o parte a problemei (performanta bruta), la minat conteaza enorm eficienta si pretul placii video, iar la capitolul asta Vega sta prost. Rezultatele din tabel sunt neoptimizate, prin optimizare pot creste cu 4-5 MH/s.
Tabelul acela era valabil pentru driver-ul vechi. Intre timp a fost lansat un driver nou (beta) care deja crescut hashrate-ul pentru Vega (memory optimized) la 36MH/s. In plus programele de mining vor primi update-uri care vor adauga si ele ceva in plus.
Absolut de acord cu rolul eficientei energetice (hashrate-ul se raporteaza pana la urma la consum...) si al pretului ( care in cazul Vega e o nebuloasa in momentul asta) dar ai uitat de puterea de calcul (compute) unde Vega sta exceptional: Vega 56 are>11Terraflops iar Gtx 1070 are doar~6Terraflops (fara boost) de exemplu; Cand programele folosite la minat vor fi optimizate pentru Vega acest lucru se va vedea cu siguranta.

Pentru mining Pascal are avantajul consumului redus iar Vega avantajul puterii de calcul, ceea ce face ambele arhitecturi (in mod diferit) candidate ideale pentru minat, spre nenorocirea noastra, a gamerilor.
Poate cand o sa se sparge bula de Etherum mining or sa revina preturile mai cu picioarele pe pamant, pana atunci ma tem ca mai avem de suferit.


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Radeon RX Vega 64 demand continues to exceed expectations. AMD is working closely with its partners to address this demand. Our initial launch quantities included standalone Radeon RX Vega 64 at SEP of $499, Radeon RX Vega 64 Black Packs at SEP of $599, and Radeon RX Vega 64 Aqua Packs at SEP of $699. We are working with our partners to restock all SKUs of Radeon RX Vega 64 including the standalone cards and Gamer Packs over the next few weeks, and you should expect quantities of Vega to start arriving in the coming days.
"AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 will be restocked for 499 USD ‘over the next few weeks’ "

https://videocardz.com/72123/amd-iss...ega-64-pricing
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Default Asus Radeon RX Vega 64 Strix review

"A quick word on overclocking. We managed to run the Asus Radeon RX Vega 64 at 1,980MHz core and 1,000MHz memory, just beating out the clocks achieved by reference, and by doing so we added an additional 6.4 per cent performance in a trio of games."

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphi...gaming/?page=8

Pacat ca consumul care era deja in pod pentru Vega 64 s-a dus in ceruri cu ocazia asta ( ) dar interesant oricum:
"...The downside of this voltage-induced performance is that power consumption rose to 532W at the wall."
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Deci momentan tot GTX1080Ti este king of mining card, raportat la eficienta Mh/sec/kWh...
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