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Old 24-02-2017, 15:31   #4421
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Mie Photoshop-ul mi se pare teribil de prost optimizat inca pentru multicore/multithread. Multe din efecte, brush-uri sunt doar single-core, lucru ce e tangential cu penibilul in 2017. Sa vezi cand lucrezi pe imagine de 300-600mpx, dai cu brush-ul maxim de 5000px diametru si vezi cum gandeste, iar activitatea pe CPU e 13-20%.

Iar ce efecte sunt accelerate devin mai degraba accelerate pe GPU(CUDA/OpenCL).

Depinde asadar ce folosesti, un 7700k s-ar putea sa fie mai util in clipa asta.
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Old 24-02-2017, 15:33   #4422
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@Steve-o Si chiar daca e asa, nu mi se pare ceva special. Practic acolo e un 8 core cu frecventa redusa vs un 4 core cu frecventa aproape dusa la maximum. Si amd va avea 4c-8 cu probabil frecvente care pot urca peste 4ghz lejer deci nu vad problema.

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Old 24-02-2017, 16:39   #4423
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OCUK staffer “Gibbo” reports successfully overclocking a retail Ryzen 7 1700 processor with an ASUS Crosshair VI Hero motherboard to 4.05GHz on all 8 cores. With this overclock the CPU would effectively be running 450MHz higher than the Ryzen 7 1800X flagship, which is very impressive considering the huge price delta between the two chips as well as the low 65W TDP of the 1700. “Gibbo” estimates, based on his results, that the 1800X should be able to hit 4.3GHz on all 8 cores.

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We just tested a 1700, it hit 4.0GHz stable in everything, but ONLY in the Crosshair mainboard, the lower-end boards it was hovering around 3.80GHz as the VRM’s were cooking with extra voltage. It however was maxing around 4050MHz, so I’d say 1700 can do 3.9-4.1GHz, of course the 1800X will probably do 4.1-4.3 as no doubt better binned, but if your clocking the motherboard has a big impact on the overclock and so far Asus Crosshair and Asrock Taichi seem the best two.
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Old 24-02-2017, 16:45   #4424
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Pe mine ma intereseaza misterul de pe placile de baza AM4, unde scrie pe cutii ca suporta si Athlon II pe langa Ryzen. Oare AMD vor sa readuca la viata Athlon ca raspuns la seria Intel Pentium ?!?
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Old 24-02-2017, 17:04   #4425
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Mai fetilor chiar daca prin absurd un procesor de la intel este peste unul de la amd cu 15%,acel 15% nu se jusifica in banii care ii cere intel,vezi cat costa un 7700k si cat costa un 1700x sau 1800x si exemplele pot continua.
Trebuia sa apara cele 6/12,pai cine mai este prost sa dea banii pe un i5 prapadit sau un i7.
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Old 24-02-2017, 17:27   #4426
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Mai fetilor chiar daca prin absurd un procesor de la intel este peste unul de la amd cu 15%,acel 15% nu se jusifica in banii care ii cere intel,vezi cat costa un 7700k si cat costa un 1700x sau 1800x si exemplele pot continua.
Trebuia sa apara cele 6/12,pai cine mai este prost sa dea banii pe un i5 prapadit sau un i7.
Iti zic eu cine... baza de fanboy's incurabili
Si aia care traiesc pe alta lume... neinformati

I-am zis unui coleg ca voi trece pe AMD ... si a ramas uimit... cum sa trec pe AMD am inebunit

Ceea ce va fi greu pentru AMD... din cauza renumelui din ultima vreme

Nu toti stiu ce era AMD odata... dupa mine au avut un renume cu mult peste intel a avut cand era in voga

Intel = jegosi oportunisti cu tactici de exploatare pt ca nu au avut concurenta

Daca analizam progresul de la i7 2600 pana la i7 7700k... nu e nimic impresionant ... doar milkying the shit out of the consumers

Oricum multumita AMD ... piata se va schimba... speram in bine


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Old 24-02-2017, 17:28   #4427
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Mie Photoshop-ul mi se pare teribil de prost optimizat inca pentru multicore/multithread. Multe din efecte, brush-uri sunt doar single-core, lucru ce e tangential cu penibilul in 2017. Sa vezi cand lucrezi pe imagine de 300-600mpx, dai cu brush-ul maxim de 5000px diametru si vezi cum gandeste, iar activitatea pe CPU e 13-20%.
In general suita Adobe e optimizata prost, e un bloatware aproape total, Adobe au mostenit prost unele programe de la Macromedia.
Photoshop, Indesign, etc cu toate c asunt probabil cele mai bune in domeniul lor, sunt destul de varza (vezi Indesign care se crashuieste de multe ori din senin.)
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Old 24-02-2017, 17:35   #4428
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Probabil peste 75% dintre consumatori ori habar nu au, ori nu se informeaza, asadar brandul intel va fi cel care va conta, indiferent daca amd scoate un produs mai performant sau mai ieftin cu aceiasi performanta.
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Old 24-02-2017, 17:37   #4429
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Atunci noi astia informatii, care discutam toata ziua pe forum, trebuie sa ii informam.
Recomanzi la cunostinte, prieteni, rude, la munca, altfel degeaba discutam aici si nu facem nimic.
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Old 24-02-2017, 17:43   #4430
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Intel merita o "palma peste bot" pentru nesimtirea si lacomia crasa de care au dat dovada de la "revolutia core 2 duo" care aproape ca a ingropat AMD.
Atunci a fost un boom, (imi aduc aminte cind am cumparat de la M1cutzu singurul C2D E6600ES din .ro la acea vreme , cu 10 milioane) iar apoi au dat cu tziriita performanta in plus la fiecare generatie, cerind preuri deloc onorabile.
Spun asta ca si un fan intel ce sint, deocamdata nu ma grabesc, astept sa vad ce zice piata si apoi fac "smart move". Recunosc ca un 1700X la 4,2GHz 24/7 cu DDR 3200 CL14 sau CL15, m-ar multumi pe deplin.

Vedem ce se intimpla inspre vara-toamna, pina atunci storc tot ce pot din 7700K la 4900MHz cu 1,29Vcore, watercooled.
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Old 24-02-2017, 18:13   #4431
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Un salt urias a fost cu sandel si acum cu ryzen. Tot ce e intre nu se justifica. Sa ceri pe un i5 locked 800 lei in 2017...
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Old 24-02-2017, 18:15   #4432
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Exista o vb romaneasca " nu e prost care cere , e prost cara da " , asa fac unii bani . Nu cred ca a venit Intel la careva sa va ia banii din buzunar ,ati ales singur produsele de la intel ca atare nu va mai plangeti atata , ati dat bani bucurativa de produs si exploatatil cat mai mult !(indiferent ca e intel , amd sau nvidia ).
Cred ca monstru a zis de n ori cand luati o platforma asteptati cel putin 2 generatii ca sa merite upgrade la o noua platforma.
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Cand o sa aiba Amd ceva comparabil cu asa ceva,atunci voi lua si eu.
Deocamdata nu gasesc procesor mai bun pentru 3dmark legacy,fiecare cu ce il doare.
Posibil sa iau si un 1800x pentru performanta in multithread,sunt teste care sunt dependente de numarul de cpu.
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Intel merita o "palma peste bot" pentru nesimtirea si lacomia crasa de care au dat dovada de la "revolutia core 2 duo" care aproape ca a ingropat AMD.
Atunci a fost un boom, (imi aduc aminte cind am cumparat de la M1cutzu singurul C2D E6600ES din .ro la acea vreme , cu 10 milioane) iar apoi au dat cu tziriita performanta in plus la fiecare generatie, cerind preuri deloc onorabile.
Spun asta ca si un fan intel ce sint, deocamdata nu ma grabesc, astept sa vad ce zice piata si apoi fac "smart move". Recunosc ca un 1700X la 4,2GHz 24/7 cu DDR 3200 CL14 sau CL15, m-ar multumi pe deplin.

Vedem ce se intimpla inspre vara-toamna, pina atunci storc tot ce pot din 7700K la 4900MHz cu 1,29Vcore, watercooled.
a) Intel merita "o palma peste bot" pentru comportamentul lor din ultimii 10 ani, dar o mare contributie a avut si AMD cu "shitdozer"-ul lor dupa 2011, adevarul e undeva pe la mijloc. Si AMD a trecut prin acelasi stadiu cu lacomia si politica lor "real guys have their own fabs", dupa ce au strans ceva bani cu AthlonXP si Athlon64 - adica s939, (btw FX60-ul era 1000USD, pentru care era bun Peltier-ul), au pierdut o groaza de bani, nu au bagat ce trebuia in R&D, si asa a iesit "faildozer"-ul;
b) nu toate platformele Intel au inglobat performanta cu tziriita, si cand spun asta ma refer la strutzo-camila LGA1366, prima platforma Intel cu IMC-ul in CPU, si cu tri channel memory, care face fata si azi onorabil la cerintele jocurilor / aplicatiilor multithreading - editare video, etc. cu Xeoane 6c/12t, unde mai pui ca sunt overclockabile din BaseCLOCK, cele x6 au practic aceeasi performanta cu suratele lor pe S2011 rev.1 X5690 overclockat merge head to head cu 3930k, 4930k, e depasit de 4960x care costa mai mult decat platforma pe 1366.
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Orice companie se lacomeste cand are monopol, prea putine poti face ca si consumator. Expresia "nu e prost cine cere" nu se potriveste deloc aici, daca de maine se face benzina 10ron/l ce se intampla, merg toti pe jos ?
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AMD "Zen" Based APUs Later This Year

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An AMD representative, responding to a Reddit question on AMD Ryzen branding, confirmed that the company will launch Mobile SoCs (APUs) based on the "Zen" micro-architecture later this year. The logical next-step for AMD with "Zen" beyond "Summit Ridge" has been to combine one or more quad-core "Zen" CCX (CPU complexes) with an integrated graphics core based on one of its newer GPU architectures ("Polaris" or "Vega").

The AMD representative confirmed that the company will launch mobile SoCs that combine "Zen" CPU cores with an integrated GPU, in the second half of 2017. This could hint at the availability of "Zen" powered notebooks, of all shapes and sizes by Holiday 2017. Over the year, AMD will begin launching "Zen" based products, starting off with 8-core high-end Ryzen 7 processors on March 2nd, six-core and some of the higher-end quad-core Ryzen 5 series processors in Q2-2017, and some of the lower-end quad-core Ryzen 3 parts in the second-half of 2017, now joined by mobile SoCs around the same time.
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Un salt urias a fost cu sandel si acum cu ryzen...
De unde stii asta? Inca nu e nimic clar.
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Pai cu amd e sigur un pas urias pentru ca in loc de sa zicem 4 core intel ai 4/8 sau 6/12 la aceiasi bani cu aproape acelasi ipc. Inca o data, 4/4 intel vs 4/8 sau 6/12 amd nu ti se pare salt mare ?
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Mai fetilor chiar daca prin absurd un procesor de la intel este peste unul de la amd cu 15%,acel 15% nu se jusifica in banii care ii cere intel,vezi cat costa un 7700k si cat costa un 1700x sau 1800x si exemplele pot continua.
Cred ca vroiai sa zici 6850/6900k, ca 1700x si 1800x sunt mai scumpe decat 7700k. Sau poate am inteles eu gresit comparatia.
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