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Old 15-10-2018, 21:39   #1
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Default Ce parere aveti de placa asta de baza pt i9-9900K

Salutare!

Au cam aparut placile de baza Z390 pentru generatia 9 de cpu, in speta pentru i9-9900K.

Vreau sa iau placa asta:

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z390...mate/index.asp

Nu vreau sa aud de asus (care la expirarea garantiei crapa din senin, stiu 3-4 cazuri), nu vreau Gigabyte(Aorus) cu biosul intortocheat si sa nu (mai) aud de MSI.

Ma pot declara fanboy ASRock, pentru simplitatea bios, stabilitate si anduranta (am avut 2 asrock care au trecut cu brio de garantie, una inca ruleaza pe PC secundar).

Ce parere(i) aveti?

Merge si Taichi simpla, dar daca tot dau peste 1000 lei pentru o MB, macar sa iau top-ul...

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z390%20Taichi/index.asp
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Old 15-10-2018, 23:25   #2
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asrock - divizie asus . Wow are retea 10 gigabit unde o placa pe pciexpress este 100$. Poti incerca sa mergi pe evga unde ai optiune de extensie garantie in primele 90 zile de la cumparare. Eu mi-am luat la gtx1070 extensie la 5 ani dar se poate si la 10 )
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Old 16-10-2018, 00:22   #3
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10GBps nvme usb 3.1 conectori auriti, ram pana in 4200 cam cat ddr5 3 placi pcie 3.0 x16 ?
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zice nvidia quad sli, dar nu nvlink. aici nu stiu cum sta treaba
ramul e limitat la 64gb
nu exista review de la site-uri sau feedback, vezi tweaktown si asteapta partea a II-a dupa NDA
pachetul de accesorii chel ca la dacia logan
https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8...iew/index.html

verdictul meu e asteapta pana la 10 reviewuri pe amazon si sau newegg si un review de la hardocp
dupa 2 noiembrie prinzi un 9900k delid de la silicon lottery sau il manevrezi local deci pastreaza-ti banii.

l.e. daca nu esti hardcore gamer sau cine stie ce task-uri eu ti-as recomanda sa faci gpu upgrade si ram upgrade si sa iti pastrezi banii pana in douazeci-douazeci.
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1: NU ma intereseaza SLI sau NV Link.
2: Imi ajung 2x8GB, poate pe viitor 2x16GB.
3: Nu ma interseaza accesorii, bling bling-uri.

Upgrade la GPU, nu, momentan Aorus 1080Ti Extreme WB watercooled ma onoreaza perfect pentru 2K gaming.

EVGA nu am avut niciodata ca MB, stiu ca fac lucruri de calitate.
Cine aduce la noi EVGA?
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Inca o intrebare, desi cam cred care este raspunsul, placile cu Z390 suporta numai procesoarele seria 8 si seria 9, sau merg pe el si skylake si kabylake?
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Au blocat cei de la Intel Kaby pe z370, nu vad de ce 390 o sa fie diferit. Desi vendorii de MBs ziceau ca nu exista probleme hardware cu asta, e strict firmware.
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Intr-o zi or sa le iasa pe git toate mirsaviile si minarelile pe care le fac...
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https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z390.../index.asp#CPU

Pe placa pe care o vrei, numai gen 8 si 9

Ar mai fi Evga Dark

https://www.evga.com/articles/01260/...0-motherboard/ placa este EATX

EVGA merge luat direct de pe site-ul lor, pana in 2 placi. la noi am vazut ca aduce vexio, forit si altii. poate negociezi cu shop4pc. in afara de forit, nu am folosit altii. nu stiu cum e cu garantia.

e ceva fishy la asrock pt mine, scot baza la 300$ cand doar reteaua e de 100$.

Eu as merge pe EVGA daca esti fan O.C.
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100% ramin pe ASRock Taichi Ultimate.
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Old 17-10-2018, 17:03   #10
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Intr-o zi or sa le iasa pe git toate mirsaviile si minarelile pe care le fac...
Cat timp li se cumpara procesoarele .... well .... nu o sa le iasa.
Or sa iasa doar banii din buzunarele cumparatorilor.
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Sad but true...

Insa eu ma vad nevoit sa cumpar, am vindut ce aveam anterior.

In jos nu ma duc, doar in sus.
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Then wait for Ryzen 2 pe 7nm. Daca se adeveresc alea +10-15% IPC vs seria trecuta e imposibil sa nu exceleze si in jocuri. Dar daca pentru 1-2fps-uri in plus merita bagati bani tot intr-un Intel care de 4-5 ani foloseste clientii ca pisoare, no comment.
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Si, cind ar aparea?

Ce mb trebuie pt ele (Socket)?

Memorii speciale AMD sau?

Eu am astea:

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gtzr

Ce se stie (estimativ) despre ele, cores, frecvente, nu sint deloc la zi cu AMD...
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mai ai si varianta sa #boicotezi hardware-ul

in cel mai rau caz iti iei o placa de retea 10gb si faci un schimb de memorii mai rapide si bagi si un delid la 7700k - e 80 lei.
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Memoriile alea merg pe ryzen la 3200.
Mobo trebuie cu socket AM4 chipset X470 sau B450, de ex asta:

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...rime-x470-pro/
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https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...ng-pro-carbon/
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https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...b450-f-gaming/
sau
https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...orus-b450-pro/

2700x are 8c/16t, nu prea are sens overclock, dar duce cam 4.3 pe toate core-urile daca vrei OC.

https://www.pcgarage.ro/procesoare/a...00x-37ghz-box/
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cerulliber, nu (prea) inteleg ce vrei sa zici...

Eu am acum (provizoriu) un i5-6600K pe o Aorus Z270 Gaming 7, care dupa upgrade va deveni mainstream-ul home use 24/7.

poker x ma refeream daca sint ceva "leaks" despre Ryzen pe 7nm, 2700X iese din discutie, fata de 7700K ce l-am avut, nu as considera 2700X ca fiind un upgrade pentru gaming exclusiv.
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AMD's roadmap shows the Zen 2 and Zen 3 (listed at "7nm+") cores coming somewhere between the release of the Zen+ and the year 2020, so that's more likely to appear in 2019.
Asadar 2019 ceva. Iar "leak-urile" spun ca avansul IPC ar fi enorm, 10-15% fara de Ryzen+ (v2, cel pe 12nm). Daca iei Intel acum e ca si cand ai accepta 50lei + 1kg faina +1kg de ulei pentru a vota la urmatoarele alegeri.

Acum, fiecare isi cheltuieste banii pe ce crede de cuviinta asa cum e si normal; no judgement here. Insa daca se adeveresc chestiile cu AMD-ul care are procesul de 7nm rafinat vs Intel care da chix cu 10nm, e clar pe cine ai putea merge pentru urmatorii "3 ani" cum zici ca intentionezi.

Sa nu mai amintim ca socketul AMD e "futureproof" pana in 2021, pe cand Intel te obliga sa schimbi si Mobo (30-50% din pretul de achizitie al CPU) de fiecare data cand vrei upgrade.

Am fost de-a dreptul Intel fanboy inca de la P4 cu HT, dar acum AMD le da clasa clar astora de la Intel. Am fost atat de fanboy incat ziceam ca "chiar daca AMD vine cu ceva revolutionar, sigur Intel are asul in maneca dupa atat timp de muls vaca", iar afirmatia asta m-a muscat de cur. Intel s-au speriat ca niste baietei de gradinita pupati pe gura de fata "frumoasa" din grupa, si s-au ***** pe ei timp de 2-3 ani. Si partea incredibila e ca produsele lor nici acum n-au un viitor foarte stralucit in fata.
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Am tot urmarit pe Youtube si astia ziceau ca primele CPU si GPU pe 7nm le-ar anunta la CES in Ianuarie 2019.
Si procesoarele seria 3000 la vanzare prin Martie-Aprilie 2019. ( nu ar fi chiar de necrezut pentru ca seria 1000 a venit prin Februarie-Martie 2017, iar seria 2000 a venit prin Martie-Aprilie 2018)
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Memoriile alea merg pe ryzen la 3200.
Mobo trebuie cu socket AM4 chipset X470 sau B450, de ex asta:

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...rime-x470-pro/
sau
https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...ng-pro-carbon/
sau
https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...b450-f-gaming/
sau
https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...orus-b450-pro/

2700x are 8c/16t, nu prea are sens overclock, dar duce cam 4.3 pe toate core-urile daca vrei OC.

https://www.pcgarage.ro/procesoare/a...00x-37ghz-box/
Daca nu e interesant SLI si alte brizz-brizz-uri de genul, placa asta de baza e suficienta:
https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...pro-carbon-ac/
Aici review:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/...PRO_CARBON_AC/

Cand apare in stoc undeva o iau urgent si pun pe ea un 2700x (a fost la altex acum o saptamana, dar pana m'am desteptat sa o iau, a disparut din stoc)
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Migrarea catre AMD, ar implica si schimbarea WB CPU, deci inca o bila neagra (in cazul meu), so, me stick to Intel din pacate, am comandat placa din prima postare.

In functie de pretul CPU, ma voi orienta daca va fi 9900K, 9700K sau 8086K ori 8700K.

In ceea ce priveste VRM, ii dau dau dreptate lui Ares...

Mortii lui, poate sa puna si o faza, functioneaza placa cum trebuie?

Duce (daca poate el) 9900K la 5,3GHz, e suficient.

Placa are garantie, sa crape VRM, data viitoare daca le vin gramezi de VRM busite pe placi, poate vor fi mai atenti.

Despre preturi, nu comentez, nu doar ASRock au scumpit, toti, au scumpit si multi nejustificat (Nvidia in mod special).
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