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28-08-2020, 20:24
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In showroom ma interesa doar sa ma apropii de unul de 32", indiferent de rezolutie/panou, doar sa-mi fac o idee. Mi-am masurat acum aproximativ cu ruleta un 32inch si pare relativ ok, nu cred ca vor fi probleme.
Cu ochelarii pusi vad pixelii la 24" 1080p de la distanta la care lucrez. Oricum, pe 4K o sa folosesc scaling-ul, acum sunt rare aplicatiile care sa nu stie sa se adapteze in functie de asta.
@ augustus, din pacate modelele alea au probleme relativ mari/observabile de uniformitate. PA32UC are de exemplu deviatie in testul de la PRAD.DE de 4.3dE din centru pana in coltul dreapta jos.
In comparatie, uite cum arata panoul de la EIZO CG2730.
https://www.prad.de/testberichte/tes.../3/#Helligkeit
Bun, in clipa asta astept sa vad SW321C prin review-uri, iar daca sta bine la uniformitate, cum se lauda, cred ca ma indrept spre el.
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29-08-2020, 10:41
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Din site-ul respectiv eu nu inteleg nimic, nu stiu germana.
Daca ai nevoie atat de mare de uniformitate si acuratetea culorilor, atunci ia un eizo. Nu gasesti ceva mai bun. Daca stii ca faci mai multi bani cu un monitor bun, atunci as incerca chiar sa iau cg318 sau 319. Ai 5 ani garantie si cred ca cel mai bun panel pentru nivelul asta, parca ofera garantie si pentru sub-pixeli blocati/stinsi.
Ideea e ca uniformitatea variaza de la monitor la monitor, poti sa ai unul bun si altul mai putin bun. E nasol ca trebuie sa iei prin pfa si e mai greu cu returul. Vezi la emag cum e cu returul, daca poti returna ca PFA atunci as lua de la ei macar 1 monitor sa iti faci o parere. Ca poate tu nu poti observa acea diferenta de 4.3.
De asemenea, acel eizo nu e true 10bit, e 8bit+frc. Parca la nivelul asta nu as lua decat 10bit, in special de cand nvidia au bagat studio drivers si nu mai ai nevoie de quadro pentru 10bit-output.
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29-08-2020, 14:19
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#3383
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Nici eu nu inteleg DE, dar merge foarte bine cu translate in Chrome. CG318-ul e totusi 26.000 Ron, de la 5500-9000 Ron e ceva diferenta.
Problema cu uniformitatea e ca la Eizo nu prea difera, din cauza Uniformity Correction-ului la nivel de pixel pe care-l fac in fabrica. Ramane de vazut daca si Benq SW321C o sa aiba Uniformity Correction similar, caz in care e cam no-brainer de luat.
8bit+2frc vs 10bit real e in 99.9% din cazuri irelevant. Conteaza si LUT-ul din spate (care in cazul asta e de 16bit). Plus ca in review-uri se vad direct testele de banding, iar la astea puse de mine toate gradatiile sunt perfecte.
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29-08-2020, 14:35
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Atunci ia cg2730, in special daca poti face retur usor.
Eu nu inteleg ceva, sw321c e compatibil hdr10 si are luminozitate maxima 250 cd/m2?
Dpdv al specificatiilor, benq-ul iese castigator. Dar parca tot eizo as alege, daca iti permiti.
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29-08-2020, 15:08
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E vrajeala asta cu HDR, si absolut non-esentiala pentru mine. Arata doar ca stie sa inteleaga surse HDR10 (standard care are specs doar "pana la 1000nits", deci poti sa ai si 100cd/mp si sa-l branduiesti HDR10). Eu personal il calibrez default la 120-140cd/mp si acolo incremeneste. De 10000 de ori mai important e nivelul de negru si implicit contrastul la 120cd/mp, si uniformitatea.
L.E. Am gasit un review: https://www.techradar.com/reviews/benq-sw321c-photovue
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DisplayCal’s scores for color gamut, tone response, white point uniformity, contrast, luminance uniformity, color uniformity and color accuracy were excellent. Most notably, the uniformity of both brightness and color are the best we’ve seen yet on a BenQ photo monitor and on par with what we’d expect from a much more expensive model.
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29-08-2020, 17:58
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A venit monitorul dar se vad ciudat fonturile. E de la mine (ceva software) sau asa se vad VA-urile comparat cu IPS-urile (am mai auzit comentarii pe tema asta) ?
In rest e mare, e frumos, mere la 164Hz, no flickering, pare ok in afara de problema cu fonturile.
Ceva echivalent IPS ce s-ar recomanda (32", 2560x1440, 120Hz++) ?
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29-08-2020, 18:44
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E setat pe FullRGB ? dar AdjustClearType ?
Eu nu am sesizat vreo diferenta la font intre AOC IPS 32" si AOC VA 32".
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29-08-2020, 19:32
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Cu clear type m-am jucat, FullRGB nu stiu ce e / unde sa umblu. Meniul este absolut execrabil, nu exista metoda (aplicatie) sa-l controlez prin DP / USB ?
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29-08-2020, 19:50
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Full RGB stiu ca era setat din driverul placii video.
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29-08-2020, 19:51
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FullRGB din driverele placii video > la display. Cauta Dell Display Manager.
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29-08-2020, 23:40
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Wow, am instalat driverele si s-au schimbat complet culorile. Habar nu am daca in bine sau in rau, dar sunt complet altfel.
Cine are un spyder prin Timisoara ? ofer lichid racoros in variate modele si cantitati
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30-08-2020, 18:08
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Probabil ca era setat aiurea de drivere. La color in loc de FullRGB sa fi fost 444 sau altceva.
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06-09-2020, 22:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boggy
Ramane de vazut daca si Benq SW321C o sa aiba Uniformity Correction similar, caz in care e cam no-brainer de luat.
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Si asa a fost, l-am prins redus la F64 cu 8799 Ron si am zis ca asta e momentul. Mai era varianta cu BF dar asteptam mult si n-aveam vreo siguranta ca intra la vreo reducere. Sper sa vina marti.
Cica e tare smecher coating-ul antireflex, atat de misto incat n-ai voie nici sa pui degetul pe el sa-l cureti de scame/praf, ci vine cu o rola speciala de curatare. Sa vad cum o sa se inteleaga cu pisicile.
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07-09-2020, 10:43
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Avand in vedere pretul, chiar sunt curios ce parere o sa ai despre el.
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07-09-2020, 17:30
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09-09-2020, 09:56
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am vazut ca monitorul Dell 31.5" - S3220DGF e destul de agreat aici
dupa utilizare poate cineva impartasi daca are ghosting sau tearing.......
freesync 2 aduce ceva nou?...........
multumesc pentru rabdare !
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10-09-2020, 18:51
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Tearing e de la placa video si monitor in functie de cum sunt setate amandoua. Mai ales la 60Hz orice monitor o sa aiba asa ceva cu Vsync inchis si fara AdaptiveSync din monitor. La 144Hz eu sunt unul din norocosii care nu prea observa tearing.
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11-09-2020, 23:18
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14-09-2020, 18:45
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ACER XV282K KV is a 28-inch 4k 144Hz gaming monitor with HDMI 2.1 - Videocardz
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14-09-2020, 20:31
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M-a lovit norocu si mi-am luat din targ un HP E232 (23", 1080, ips, hdmi/dp/vga) impecabil la 150 lei. Impreuna cu Dell-ul de 32 setup-ul arata cam asa :
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