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Old 27-05-2019, 09:18   #7041
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Ai ceva informatii (pe care sa le poti impartasii cu noi) despre modul in care se overclock-eaza procesoarele astea?
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:42   #7042
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Stai ca pe hartie e una, practica alta. Oricum, unde sunt alea 16c/32T la 340 usd cum visau unii pe aici? Intel o scalda iar, o sa scoata 10C pe Z390 cu 14nm+++++++++++ , trage 50 dolari in jos la 9900K si aia e...
a) 3700X la 329USD e de bun simt, acelasi pret de lansare ca la 2700X;
b) 3800X sunt rezultate din binning, nu va asteptati la overclocking pe aer mai sus de 4,5-4,6 GHz, IHS-le sunt soldered mai mult ca sigur;
c) amd is closing the gap on both performance and price;
d) 9900k la 5GHz pe aer se pare ca nu va avea echivalent de la amd, clock per clock IPC-le sunt cam la fel;
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:47   #7043
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Deci diferente fata de leak-urile anterioare ar fi asa:
Ryzen 5 3600—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 65W TDP, $178
a ajuns
Ryzen 7 3700X—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 65W TDP, $329

Ryzen 7 3800X—8C/16T, 3.9GHz to 4.5GHz, 105W TDP, $399
este complet nou

Ryzen 7 3700—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 95W TPD, $299
a ajuns
Ryzen 9 3900X—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 105W TPD, $499


In cazul asta, zice bine @Iubitel. Dau Intel 9900K cu niste dolari mai in jos si aia e. Te chisi pe ele Ryzen 3000
Lasand gluma deoparte, e bine ca ies asa procesoarele. Macar se exista concurenta si chiar si aia $50 in jos la 9900K sunt ceva.
Totusi, eu unul o sa dau skip la Ryzen 3000. Daca iesea 16c/32t la $499 (si celelalte cu preturi direct proportionale) era o treaba.
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Old 27-05-2019, 10:02   #7044
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Daca X570 aduce 2 porturi Nvme pentru raid 0, doua porturi pci-express primu 16x / al 2 lea 8x si 6 porturi sata eu merge pe AMD.

LE: si 10GB bine inteles
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Old 27-05-2019, 10:08   #7045
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Eu deja vad un 12 core la mine in PC!
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Old 27-05-2019, 10:26   #7046
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Eu deja vad un 12 core la mine in PC!
1920X-320USD / 2920X-625 USD pe amazon pentru TR4, 12c/24t 3900X AM4 pe 7nm la 500 USD nu e rau, la noi va fi pe la 500 EURO.
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Old 27-05-2019, 10:43   #7047
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Am impresia ca multi astepata lansare Ryzen 3000 ca sa-si cumpere linistiti 9900k . O sa raman pe Ryzen 1700 pana o sa ajunga sa nu mai porneasca jocurile pe el din cauza lipsei de instructiuni cum s-a intamplat si cu phenom 2 cu Denuvo .
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Old 27-05-2019, 10:46   #7048
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Ce-i drept 16 cores nu inca... dar nu e exclus sa apara in viitor un astfel de procesor (teoretic ar fi posibil se spune)
Si evident asteptam review-uri, dar nu sunt motive sa credem ca Ryzen 3 e vreun fail
Pentru mine este fail.

Nu pentru cat "hype" s-a facut prin toate canalele de clickbait, ci pentru ca ma asteptam ca trecerea la 7nm + imbunatatirea arhitecturii sa aduca ceva mult mai bun.
Ceva in genul serie GTX 10 de la Nvidia cand trecerea la 16nm s-a intalnit cu imbunatatirea arhitecturii si au iesit niste placi cu performante extraordinare.


Iar 16 core or sa fie, Steve de la GN a zis ca va fi.
Si probabil vor mai pune 100-200 dolari peste 3900x deci pe la 600-700 dolari. (adica un pret ceva mai bun decat un threadripper pentru ca nu ai avantajele seriei TR)


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Deci diferente fata de leak-urile anterioare ar fi asa:
Ryzen 5 3600—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 65W TDP, $178
a ajuns
Ryzen 7 3700X—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 65W TDP, $329

Ryzen 7 3800X—8C/16T, 3.9GHz to 4.5GHz, 105W TDP, $399
este complet nou

Ryzen 7 3700—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 95W TPD, $299
a ajuns
Ryzen 9 3900X—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 105W TPD, $499


Totusi, eu unul o sa dau skip la Ryzen 3000. Daca iesea 16c/32t la $499 (si celelalte cu preturi direct proportionale) era o treaba.

Ce pot sa spun ...




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Old 27-05-2019, 11:36   #7049
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Ryzen 7 3700X—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 65W TDP, $329
Sper sa existe pe undeva un Ryzen 7 3700 cu pret intre 2700 si 2700X.
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Old 27-05-2019, 12:03   #7050
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1920X-320USD / 2920X-625 USD pe amazon pentru TR4, 12c/24t 3900X AM4 pe 7nm la 500 USD nu e rau, la noi va fi pe la 500 EURO.
Poate in Europa Centrala va avea pretul corect.
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Old 27-05-2019, 12:19   #7051
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330 usd devin automat euro, deci in jur de 1550 lei. Nu e deloc rau. Problema e ca toata lumea visa la frecvente mai mari. Dar nu ne putem plange, arata bine.
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Old 27-05-2019, 13:25   #7052
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...&v=v7hofCnniJE
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Old 27-05-2019, 19:09   #7054
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Tot ce stiu e ca sunt al dracu de bune in cinebench, deci probabil pe randari si alte chestii profi o sa fie zdravene, in jocuri nu sunt mari imbunatatiri, cum Intel inca are avantajul frecventei==> gamerii nu au nici un motiv sa faca upgrade la asa ceva. Evident vom vedea si la AMD ddr4-4000+ ceea ce e imbucurator. Saptamana viitoare ma voi juca efectiv cu asa ceva....
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Old 27-05-2019, 19:52   #7055
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Cel putin in cinebench pare foarte bine si in single thread, chiar cu frecventa usor sub intel, ceea ce imi spune ca au IPC mai bun.
In jocuri de ce ar fi mai slabe?
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Ryzen™ 7 3700X vs. i7-9700K with real-time rendering: The Ryzen 7 3700X offered 1% more single-threaded, and 30% more in multi-threaded performance.4
Ryzen™ 7 3800X vs. i9-9900K with PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds gameplay: The Ryzen 7 3800X matched the performance of the i9-9900K.5
Ryzen™ 9 3900X vs. i9-9920X with Blender Render: The Ryzen 9 3900X beat the Intel i9 9920X by more than 16%.6

https://www.amd.com/en/press-release...mail&utm_term=

3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ desktop processor family based on new high-performance “Zen 2” core includes highest performance 12 core desktop processor ever1 —

— New RDNA gaming architecture and upcoming AMD Radeon™ RX 5700-series graphics cards will accelerate the future of PC, console, and cloud gaming —

— World’s first PCIe® 4.0 ready desktop PC platform with broadest ecosystem readiness in AMD history available planned for July 2019 —

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Acum am văzut keynote amd și se așteptau la un 8% ipc dar a ajuns la 15% cu atâtea bug-uri cate au ăștia de la Intel =)
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Tot ce stiu e ca sunt al dracu de bune in cinebench, deci probabil pe randari si alte chestii profi o sa fie zdravene, in jocuri nu sunt mari imbunatatiri, cum Intel inca are avantajul frecventei==> gamerii nu au nici un motiv sa faca upgrade la asa ceva. Evident vom vedea si la AMD ddr4-4000+ ceea ce e imbucurator. Saptamana viitoare ma voi juca efectiv cu asa ceva....
Asta vroiam sa aud! Ca se duc lejer peste 3200Mhz fara prea multe dichisuri! 4000 pe memorii ar fi super, mai ales daca e 1:1 cu viteza infinity fabric!

Ce mai ramane de vazut e daca un 12 core poate un 4.3-4.4 pe toate nucleele si daca merita efortul!
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a) daca IPC-ul a crescut cu 15% inseamna ca a ajuns IPC-ul 9900k sau e un pic mai sus, 9900k are avantajul frecventei la 5GHz, nu ar trebui sa fie diferente mai mari de 5-10% in jocuri (cu 10% la 1080p), cu imbunatatirile facute la FPU ar trebui sa se apropie si mai mult de 9900k / intr-o luna o sa vedem si teste, dupa ce o sa se mai plimbe ES-le, asta comparand 3800X cu 9900k - 8c/16, adica mere cu mere;
b) diferentele intre 3800X si 3700X sunt din binning, s-ar putea ca la all cores diferentele intre ele sa fie de 0,1GHz ca si intre 2700X si 2700 pe Zen+;

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a) daca IPC-ul a crescut cu 15% inseamna ca a ajuns IPC-ul 9900k sau e un pic mai sus, 9900k are avantajul frecventei la 5GHz, nu ar trebui sa fie diferente mai mari de 5-10% in jocuri (cu 10% la 1080p), cu imbunatatirile facute la FPU ar trebui sa se apropie si mai mult de 9900k / intr-o luna o sa vedem si teste, dupa ce o sa se mai plimbe ES-le, asta comparand 3800X cu 9900k - 8c/16, adica mere cu mere;
b) diferentele intre 3800X si 3700X sunt din binning, s-ar putea ca la all cores diferentele intre ele sa fie de 0,1GHz ca si intre 2700X si 2700 pe Zen+;
Revin cu acelasi argument: Cine cumpara un procesor in zona asta de pret pentru fullHD? E total absurd! Testele sunt una, dar practica e cu totul alta!
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