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Old 10-01-2019, 02:01   #10041
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Stateam asa si ma gandeam ... cu 16 GB de (probabil) HBM2 cum o mina Radeon VII ?

Daca o tii 1 an si atunci cand nu te joci minezi cu ea ti-oi recupera ceva bani ? (evident partea pe plus ce ramane dupa ce scazi consumul de curent)

Adica asa ar deveni mai atractiva decat un RTX 2080 8GB gddr6 ?

(nu trageti ... ganduri la 1 noaptea cand ma joc Age of Empires II)
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Stateam asa si ma gandeam ... cu 16 GB de (probabil) HBM2 cum o mina Radeon VII ?

Daca o tii 1 an si atunci cand nu te joci minezi cu ea ti-oi recupera ceva bani ? (evident partea pe plus ce ramane dupa ce scazi consumul de curent)

Adica asa ar deveni mai atractiva decat un RTX 2080 8GB gddr6 ?

(nu trageti ... ganduri la 1 noaptea cand ma joc Age of Empires II)
RTX2080 e de departe cea mai putin atractiva placa din serie Turing. 2080Ti e macar top performance iar 2060 are pret decent. 2080(la pretul de acum) nu are nici un sens atata timp cat mai exista 1080Ti

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https://www.computerbase.de/2019-01/amd-radeon-vii-ces/
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:38   #10043
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Nimic despre RX sau am ratat eu? Deci si anul asta o tin cu mutant Vega in stoc limitat si rx480 refresh?
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:21   #10044
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Radeon 7 este un Fiji pe 7nm cu mici modificari https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-vega-20.g848 .
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Ca modificare majora in arhitectura, vad ca au dublat numarul de ROPs fata de Fiji. Poate asta sa fie cheia.
Si vad ca exista un Vega 20 si cu 4096 de Shading Units. Poate sa fie ala tinut de rezerva pentru dracu stie ce alta placa?
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Ca modificare majora in arhitectura, vad ca au dublat numarul de ROPs fata de Fiji. Poate asta sa fie cheia.
Si vad ca exista un Vega 20 si cu 4096 de Shading Units. Poate sa fie ala tinut de rezerva pentru dracu stie ce alta placa?
Vedem cand expira NDA-ul,dar la pretul asta pare la fel de inutila pentru gaming ca si GTX 2080. Poate cei care vor sa mai faca si alte chestii cu ea vor beneficia de cei 16Gb HBM2 VRAM dar in rest...
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De ce, mai exact, e inutil RTX 2080 in gaming?
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Old 11-01-2019, 00:22   #10048
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De ce, mai exact, e inutil RTX 2080 in gaming?
... la pretul la care e acum am vrut sa zic
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:35   #10049
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Poate o sa scoata si o placa cu 8 GB HBM.
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:08   #10050
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Dar de ce HBM şi nu DDR6? HBM is nothing new. AMD foloseşte HBM de ani de zile şi tot Nvidia domină piaţa, aşa că...
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:15   #10051
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Eu sunt curios daca o sa fie mai puternica decat TITAN V care avea tot HBM dar si 3000$ pret.
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:58   #10052
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No way. Va fi la nivel de 1080ti.
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Old 11-01-2019, 13:11   #10053
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Le trebuie o arhitectura noua! Asta e clar! Practic Radeon 7 e ceea ce trebuia sa fie Vega64 de la bun inceput ca sa se ia la tranta cu seria 1000.

Tot ce pot face bun in aceasta situatie, e sa vina cu preturi bune, agresive in zona fierbinte under 300$!

Ceva mai multe detalii in jocuri aici:

https://www.techspot.com/news/78212-...lable-now.html
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Old 11-01-2019, 15:16   #10054
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Ce a fost prea varza pentru seria workstation "Pro" a ajuns Vega "gaming", adica niste placi de 1800$ cu HBM pt. cele pe 14nm.

De asta nici nu au fost prea multe vega la prima serie, si probabil nici acum nu o sa fie.

Altfel, niste placi bune pt. ce au fost facute. Dar nu gaming, si pt gameri nu se justifica memoria de 150$ cat au estimat unii pe youtube ca ar costa HBM-ul de pe vega.
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Old 11-01-2019, 18:33   #10055
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Nu stiu daca va mai amintit insa Lisa a zis la un moment dat acum 1 an or so, ca au avut de ales in a investi masiv in grupul gpu sau grupul cpu. Au ales CPU si au lansat cu succes Ryzen + Threadripper.
Cel mai probabil Vega7 e un fel de patch. Inca nu au urmatoarea arhitectura gata pe 7nm, si ca sa nu ramana SI mai in urma, lanseaza ceva.
Complet de acord cu memoria. 16gb HBM suna frumos, insa HBM e scump in draci si sunt 100% sigur ca lumea ar fi cumparat o placa cu 8GB si cu 100$ mai ieftina.

Acum cel mai bine ar fi ca placa sa se vanda la un pret f apropiat de MSRP(modelele custom). Daca reuseste sa se bata cot la cot cu 2080 ar fi perfect, insa pretul o dezavantajeaza. 2080 e deja pe piata de ceva timp si preturile s-au calmat putin si mai toate magazinele au promotii(newegg are momentan vreo 3-4 variante custom la 699$)
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Old 11-01-2019, 18:39   #10056
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Complet de acord cu memoria. 16gb HBM suna frumos, insa HBM e scump in draci si sunt 100% sigur ca lumea ar fi cumparat o placa cu 8GB si cu 100$ mai ieftina.
Eu as fi dat 100$ in plus ca sa am in loc de 8, 16GB HBM2.

Unde merge milionul, mai merge si suta de mii...

Probabil ca daca Nvidia foloseau HBM2 in loc de GDDR6, nu mai aveam "space invaders" gratuit in seria RTX...

As fi preferat si poate si chiar si cumparat seria RTX daca era dotata cu HBM2.

GDDT6, nu-mi inspira incredere, este cam la limita daca nu chiar la limita constructiei acest tip de memorie GDDRx.
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Inclin sa cred ca Radeon VII e "underwhelming" cum zice boss-ul de la verzi insa, hopefully, vor mai urma si alte placi AMD anul asta (NAVI) . Placa asta a aparut doar din necesitatea de a vinde gpu-urile care nu au trecut testele va sa devina Radeon Instinct.
Nici perspectiva de a avea o placa NVidia din actuala generatie nu suna deloc atractiv in acest moment din alte considerente- pret, "space invaders" etc. :

https://hardforum.com/threads/do-you...-card.1970788/

PS: Poll-ul e de cca 200 de unitati asa ca e destul de reprezntativ ... sa crape 15% dintre placi in nici 3 luni de functionare e enorm! Nu-mi amintesc sa se fi intamplat asa ceva nici pe vremea Fermi.
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Kyle ala are oricum ceva cu nvidia si ala e forumul lui. Despre ce vorbim? Ca-s 27 de placi ce au murit din Dumnezeu stie cate? Aia e statistica cu voturi multiple? De acolo inteleg ca au murit 27 de placi dar doar la 21 au facut RMA.. Sunt curios cate au murit din cate au fost vandute nu din 200 de placi. Eu am avut 2 si ambele merg perfect. Asta inseamna ca seria RTX e lipsita de prebleme? Nu, evident!

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Indiferent de producator, consider ca un produs care costa peste 300-400E ar trebui sa fie testat serios inainte de a fi vandut! E neplacut sa sa platesti 1000$+ si sa iti crape subit fara niciun motiv. Iar daca se intampla, producatorul ar trebui sa compenseze cumva situatia.

Eu am avut o experienta neplacuta ani buni in urma cu un Sapphire ATI 3870 DDR3 de 512MB, care a cedat cam la o luna de la achizitie. Intr-o saptamana am primit modelul de 1GB DDR4 fara niciun cost suplimentar!

Revenind la subiect, sper ca vor lansa niste versiuni mai ieftine pe 7nm chiar daca tot vega, insa cu preturi agresive!
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