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Old 16-08-2018, 23:02   #1
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Thumbs up Ivy-ul meu (urmeaza upgrade-uri)

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i5 3570k 3,8 cooler stock , pasta termica Arctic Silver 5 racit cu aer conditionat ambient 23 grade C
2x4gb ddr3 Zeppelin CL 9 (9-9-9-24 CR1)
SSD Kingston SUV 400 128gb
HDD 250 gb
Msi H61 M p20 g3 custom bios https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=166574.0 (evident poate fi revenit la ultima versiune standard)
adaptor Intel Gigabit pe PCI, cablu UTP cu protectie interferente
Sursa 550w
AMD Radeon RX 550 2GB Sapphire Pulse OC memorie elpida
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Monitor 19" Samsung SyncMaster 920NW
audio 5.1 sole, periferice wireless
Windows 10 x64 pro , Bitdefender Total Security 2019 si in rest numai soft gratuit si sau open source.

Ce imi place la sistem e ca totul are led albastru pana acum, i-am pus un ventilator de 200mm cu led albastru si arata absolut bestial.

Scopul e sa joc Fallout 4 1080p 60fps fluid, cateva jocuri strategie modeste in rest casual internet si sa fie cat mai rece posibil.

Exceptand USB 3.1 type C cu pierdere de ~50 secunde la un transfer de zeci de gb pt telefon, RGB, nvme si niste stickere nu-mi lipsesc mare lucru.

ma gandesc sa fac un upgrade la placa de baza pt sata3 (nu-s asa incantat de ce gasesc in Romania), poate niste memorii mai bune si minim 16gb 1600 mhz (asta consider ca e sweet spot-ul) si eventual un cooler pe apa sau ceva de la Cooler Master. Alte upgrade-uri: un ssd pt gaming probabil sata nu nvme, un hdd 1tb pt date, o sursa noua 80 plus, bronze (trebuie decis brandul, din ce am citit doar 80 bronze se testeaza), un DAC la 300 lei si poate un delid la 3570k ca sa ramana rece (-20 grade C din ce am citit in teste - 80lei manopera).

inca nu m-am hotarat daca sa imi iau un wallmount pt un monitor gaming 1080p gen 240hz GSYNC si poate un 1060 6gb - aici e dilema, care e placa video optima pt procesorul meu ca sa joc Full HD si fps-ul minim sa fie 60fps.
Inca nu e clar daca va exista 2060 ... iar un 1070 deja e bottleneck din ce am citit.

ce ziceti ? upgrade cu placa baza 300-600 lei sau swap to Ryzen 2 ?

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Old 17-08-2018, 05:27   #2
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Salut,

In primul rand, probabil ca un 1060 cu 6gb ar fi suficient sa duca jocul ala in 60fps, si nu e nici bottleneck cu procesorul tau. In al doilea rand, 240hz nu sunt cu gsync, iar daca ai preferinte d-astea de monitoare cu rate mari de refresh trebuie sa mergi spre un varf de gama.

Parerea mea e ca fie faci upgrade la un 1060 6gb decent si te joci pana nu mai duce procesorul sub 60fps, fie schimbi toata platforma cu un 7700k / 8600k si toate beneficiile, inclusiv nvme.
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Old 17-08-2018, 17:23   #3
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Legat de bottleneck, eu zic ca exceptand cazuri stupide gen dual core cu GTX 1080Ti nu prea ai parte de asa ceva.

Sursa de 550w ce model e ? pe placa aia poti pune un i7 2600, 3770 si mai tragi de sistemul ala vreo doi ani fara probleme, mai ales daca adaugi o 1050Ti sau 1060 3GB cu un monitor 1080p.
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Old 18-08-2018, 00:15   #4
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de fapt singurul lucru care nu l-as schimba e procesorul. mereu mi-am dorit un procesor deblocat. dupa ce am facut un tweaking (O&o shutup, Spybot antibeakon, disable search si media player network sharing service, onedrive si sters programe inutile Microsoft), bootarea si inchiderea dureaza cam 3 secunde. ssd-ul rar ajunge la 100% si cu 16 gb ddr3 1600 cred ca ar fi standard normal pana in anul douazeci douazeci, asta daca nu mai vin indienii cu idei grozave.

sursa trebuie schimbata ca e veche si chiar nu imi place. sincer nu stiu cat mai duce. imi trebuie ceva gen 80 plus, 24 conector pin.

intrebarea e ce monitor 1080p sa imi iau pt sistem cu o placa 1060 6gb sau cine stie 2060 gddr6 daca nu e overkill.
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Old 18-08-2018, 10:59   #5
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Zi un buget pentru monitor si ce vrei sa faci cu el.
https://www.emag.ro/monitor-gaming-i.../pd/DJ08VHBBM/ asta e calea de mijloc 75Hz, 1080p dar e de 27"
https://www.emag.ro/monitor-gaming-c.../pd/DJ1SK7BBM/ asta e VA de 144Hz, daca te joci recomand unul de 144Hz.
https://www.emag.ro/monitor-gaming-l.../pd/D4CTQFBBM/ asta e mic, daca nu ai spatiu si tot de 75Hz.
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Old 18-08-2018, 16:17   #6
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de fapt singurul lucru care nu l-as schimba e procesorul. mereu mi-am dorit un procesor deblocat.
Bine, dar asta e cam din "putul gandirii", avand in vedere ca este montat pe o placa de baza vai mama ei si pe care nu se poate face overclock (nu stiu ce BIOS modat folosesti, dar cand zic overclock ma refer la 4.5 GHz sau mai sus ptr. acel procesor).
Nu spun ca nu mai poate, dar i-ar trebui si o placa de baza pe care sa poata sa-si intinda aripile si sa-si dezmorteasca picioarele, plus niste RAM pe la 2133-2400 MHz si cooler capabil care sa tina sub control monstrul.
Dar toata treaba asta costa si ai iesi cam la aceiasi bani cu un i3 8100+MB+RAM DDR4 2666MHz (SH), platforma noua deschizand si posibilitatea de upgrade serios.
Anyway, just my 2 cents! Ma plictiseam la o cafea si zisei sa-ti spun!

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Old 23-08-2018, 10:28   #7
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as vrea sa pastrez socket-ul pana in 2020 si o sa fac un o.c. stabil , intentionez sa cumpar un z77.
credeti ca i5 3570k duce un GTX 2060 5GB GDDR6 – $200-$300 (27% Faster Than 1060) ?
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Old 01-09-2018, 23:36   #8
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Eu as face swap spre Ryzen. Bani aruncati aiurea pe Z77+delid. Procesorul ala are doar 4 coreuri, daca aveai macar un 3770k, era altfel. Cu o placa video buna, tot o sa ai stutter in jocurile noi.

Eu am trecut de la [email protected] 4.6 ghz la [email protected] 4.6 ghz si cu toate ca diferenta a fost, tot amarat mi s-a parut pentru gtx 1080. In jocuri ca AC origins stateam si cu i7-le la 100% si tot stutter imi facea.
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:15   #9
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ1...MTIcIddOZQQMlg

I5 3570K 5 ghz cu nvidia 1070 si 16 gb ddr3 2133

Delid = -20 grade C , mai pui o racire pe apa si ai un procesor bun si rece.

Oare duce un 2050 macar ?
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:21   #10
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5 ghz e o fantezie. Probabil 1% dintre 3570-uri ajung acolo.
Ce inseamna "duce"? Daca joci in 4k la 60 hz probabil ca "duce". Daca joci in 1080 la 144hz clar nu "duce". 4 core-uri sunt tot 4 core-uri chiar daca sunt la 5 sau 4 ghz. Si atunci cand un joc se intinde pe mai mult de 4 thread-uri o sa-ti sacadeze si la 5 ghz.

Fa-ti placerea atunci si ia-ti un z77 sau chiar un P67 cu multe faze pe alimentare si cat mai ieftina si da in 3570k-ul ala pana se topeste. Iti iei apoi placa video si vezi cum merg impreuna.

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Old 02-09-2018, 22:08   #11
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zi o miza si o frecventa.
daca tot e forum de overclocking ... considera manusa ridicata
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Pe un cooler aer bun, mai mult de 4.7 ghz nu prinzi.Dupa 1.45 V nu prea il mai racesti si te duci 90 C in IBT.
Bine poate e un cip golden si prinzi 5 ghz la 1.3 V. Dar asa e unul la 100.
Dar astea sunt doar ipoteze. Baga z77-le ala si hai sa vedem ce iese.
Si vezi ca delidul ti-l poti face singur cu o lama. Iti ia 10 min. Aplici pasta metalica, pui procesorul in soclu, ii pui IHS-ul si inchizi maneta. Nu are rost sa mai dai 80 ron pentru asta.

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Old 02-09-2018, 22:37   #13
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imprumut un kit pe apa cateva ore si un 1070 si sau 1080 plus delidul. am mai vazut sisteme pe pcpartpicker. am vazut ca Thermaltake Floe riing 360 Premium Edition AIO da randamente, exceptand parti EK , fireste.
sansa e 1 la 100.
cine e casa, cine vrea sa puna pariurile si cine imi da medaie din hartie
eventual daca sunt pasionati de OC care vor sa participe la setari si delid.
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mi-am luat z77-le pana la urma-nu ma asteptam la asta, sa prind military class disponibil si am facut delidul. acuma urmeaza install. ce ziceti, 1060 6gb sau Nvidia Rtx 20XX ?
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Ce joci ?
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Fallout 4, Metro Redux si as incerca un Metro Exodus in rest doar strategie.
Asadar, raportul procesor, gpu si mai ales display sunt problematice la mine intrucat nu sunt convins de ce trece de 1080p iar la 144 hz imi pun intrebari.
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Si eu eram in dilema cu 144Hz, pana mi-am luat monitor de 144Hz, voluntar eu nu ma mai intorc la 60 Hz, nici macar pentru desktop.
Daca joci strategii as merge pe 1440p si 27", am peste 800 de ore in Total War Warhammer I si II, desi piticii imi spun sa am peste 60 fps, poate fi jucat lejer si la 30-40.

Pentru shootere rapide as lua unul 1080p 144Hz, unde se simte nevoia de frame rate cat mai mare, dar nu vei observa detaliile si calitatea.
Metro si STALKER(daca nu ai jucat, recomand) ambele serii le-am terminat de mai multe ori, merg jucate la 40-50 fps cu detalii cat mai mari, ai timp sa admiri peisajul in timp ce descoperi slavul din tine
Acuma daca te hotarasti sa mergi pe 1080p e suficienta o GTX1060 6GB, dar pentru 1440p trebuie macar o GTX1070.

RTX 2070 astept si eu dar vor fi scumpe, probabil +50% performanta fata de 980TIul meu, la vreo 2700-3000 lei in magazin, pe a mea astept sa iau vreo 1000 lei, sa dau 2000 lei diferenta pentru 50% performanta, nu stiu inca, astept.
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1080p e de mine insa de vazut gpu pt 144=1070ti?

2080= 850€ https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512

Consider ca episodul crypto s-a terminat.
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Nu e nevoie sa joci la 144 fps ca sa te bucuri de 144Hz, eu as cauta o GTX1070 second hand, eventual cu garantie au scazut sub 1500 lei ca pret.
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