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Old 22-09-2009, 14:03   #21
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Lasa matose, este mai bine asa decat sa tot gaseasca unii scuza fatidicului "exemplar defect".
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Corect, eu m-am lamurit de el cand mi-a ajuns in mana, printre altele am fost dezamagit de lamelele foarte subtiri si greutatea mica, lucruri care nu vor permite vreodata unui cooler sa concureze cu "categoria grea", am spus mai multe in articolul respectiv.
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Poate e mai bun la stins infernul decit la racit procesoare. :P
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Am reusit sa "obosesc" cele 8 faze digitale ale DFI-ului P35. Dupa 2 ani in care a vazut "mii de grade", destule ore la 1.7v+, 1.6v+ sau 1.5v+, se restarteaza cand ajunge la 85c/vrm.
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Default Thermalright, Past and Present - part I



TRUE a fost un cooler aparut cu mult inaintea timpului sau, si a fost atat de dominant incat nici coolere mult mai masive nu au reusit sa il intreaca la categoria grea a coolerelor (performanta in conditii extreme).

Sunt diferite lucrurile in ziua de azi?, multi ar zice ca da, iar eu de multa vreme am vrut sa gasesc raspunsul la doua intrebari:

Cum se compara TRUE cu noul si performantul VenomousX?, si in ce masura Thermalright a progresat in privinta performantei la turatii mari/TDP mare.

La aparitia lui VenomousX am vazut ca imbunatatirile au fost consistente exact unde TRUE era deficitar (baza si sistem de prindere), dar pe mine nu m-au impresionat foarte mult aceste ajustari pentru ca fiind un entuziast, pot sa fac unui cooler o baza care poate concura cu cele mai bune baze din domeniu.

Poza de mai jos este destul de relevanta cred, si ea reprezinta baza (lapuita convex) a exemplarului numarul doi de True Copper, aflat in posesia mea.



Fara indoiala ca pentru un utilizator obisnuit VenomousX este mult mai potrivit pentru ca este gata de folosinta de cum este scos din cutie, neavand nevoie de moduri de nici un fel. Acest articol fiind dedicat entuziastilor, nu voi mai vorbi decat despre aspecte ce tin de "utilizatorii extremi".

Am mai spus ca nu am fost multumit de VenomousX, in ciuda faptului ca este un cooler foarte performant, si vreau sa vad de la Thermalright un cooler care sa reuseasca sa ma impresioneze de la primul contact.

Eram foarte curios cum se va comporta un TRUE cu baza convexa si o prindere buna in confruntarea cu VenomousX. Stiam ca TRUE Copper cu baza convexa are o performanta in conditii extreme greu de agalat, la nu mai putin de 400watt doar uriasul NH-D14 a putut sa se apropie de el.

Testul de mai jos a fost efectuat in conditiile unui ambient de ~20c, 1.66vcore (masurati cu multimetrul), 1.65v QPI. In urma acstui test am reusit sa avariez mufa cpu 8 pin a sursei, puterea atinsa depasind cu mult maximul admis pentru ea.

Pasta termica folosita a fost PK-1, deci una obisnuita. Daca foloseam Liquid Pro rezultatele ar fi fost mult mai bune, iar cu ajutorul unui ambient mai mic si bineinteles cu o placa de baza cu doi conectori pentru cpu ar fi fot posibil un TDP de 450 watt (daca ar fi rezistat cpu-ul la 1.7vcore load)





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Old 25-07-2010, 04:05   #27
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Default Convex lapping





Am vazut ce poate face TRUE Copper modat corespunzator, el fiind un etalon si in ziua de azi privind alegerea pentru bench, bineinteles cuplat cu niste ventilatoare care sa ii poata pune in evidenta potentialul. Fara indoiala ca ati observat in una din pozele de mai sus turbinele de 300CFM, cu rotoare contrarotative, niste "jucarii" pe cat de performante pe atat de scumpe.

Acestea fiind spuse, am cam raspuns la intrebarea cu privire la progresul Thermalright la categoria grea, dar voi testa oricum toate coolerele in conditii egale, cu acelasi ambient, aceeasi pasta termica si acelasi sistem de prindere.

Fiind mai toate ziua singur acasa m-am hotarit sa lapuiesc convex toate exemplarele de TRUE si sa fac un mic versus intre ele. Inarmat cu sticla de diferite grosimi, necesara pentru a "regla" gradul de convexitate, am rezolvat problema, dar nu fara urmari pentru ca in cateva ore de laping mi-am distrus mana.

Pentru laping am folosit hartie abraziva de la 180 pana la 3000, dar am efectuat si o comparatie (pe acelasi cooler), intre o finisare extrema si doar lapingul cu smirghel de 180, rezultatele fiind aceleasi (se stie foarte bine ca nu finisarea conteaza).



SISTEM DE TEST





i7 920 d0, lapuit plan, 1.47vcore load (MM)/1.51v QPI/2.0v MEM
Gigabyte X58A UD9
Prolimatech PK-1
San Ace 6000rpm
28c ambient
prime 95 large FFT (3 min idle/7 min load)

Prinderea folosita este cea de la Arrow (o versiune imbunatatita a prinderii lui IFX-14), care ofera o centrare buna si o presiune foarte mare.
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Default Rezultate

TRUE - baza lapuita plan - 91.2c



TRUE convex - 87.2c



TRUE Copper exemplar nr. 1 (foarte putin convex) - 87.7c



TRUE Copper exemplar nr. 1 convex - 85.5c



TRUE Copper exemplar nr. 2 convex - 88c



VenomousX - convex (din fabrica) - 88.2c



DeepCool Ice Warrior - stock base - fail in 30 seconds



True Black - convex base - 87.5c

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Default Concluzii

Vedem ca True Copper nr. 2 desi are cea mai buna urma de pasta nu reuseste o performanta la fel de buna ca si primul exemplar (pe care din fericire l-am utilizat in testele mele recente, nr. 2 fiind folosit doar in articolul socket 775 supercoolers)

L-am retestat de trei ori, cu remontare, in toate cele trei situatii urma de pasta a fost buna si rezultele similare. True Copper nr. 1 a fost retestat de doaua ori cu remontare, obtinand deasemenea rezultate similare.

NU este prima data cand am diferenta de performanta intre exemplare, cazul IFX-14 fiind prezentat in articolele mele. Totusi diferente este mica, dar ea exista si as fi preferat un maxim de 1c, pe care il puteam pune pe seama diferitilor factori de influenta.

VenomousX nu poate invinge TRUE modat, lucru la care ma asteptam pentru ca este optimizat si pentru turatii medii (lamele mai rare) si are o greutate mai mica. Din nou se adevereste ca Thermalright nu a progresat defel in privinta performantei "pure" in conditii extreme, VenomousX nu are o arhitectura mai buna (pentru extreme TDP/CFM) si nici materiale "revolutionare" in componenta.

Baza lui este putin prea bombata, dar urma de pasta pe core este buna. Im cazul unor procesoare nelapuite si cu probleme de concavitate a ihs-ului, baza lui poate constitui un avantaj.

True Black lapuit convex a obtinut o performanta putin mai buna decat True normal, stratul de pasta termica fiind foarte subtire pe core, lucru ce arata eficacitatea lapingului convex.

Dezamagirea testului vine de la Ice Warrior, un cooler pe care am tinut neaparat sa il am, dar care are mari probleme la baza si la sistemul de prindere. Va fi modat pentru a-i vedea potentialul maxim.

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Old 25-07-2010, 11:42   #30
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wow ramiro you never stop to amaze me.

Pan la urma true copper ramane cel mai bun cooler de bench pt entuziasti???? ma gandeam sa trec pe NH-D14 dar acum mi-ai plantat niste semne de intrebare serioase in cap.
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Nh-D14 este foarte aproape, insa nu a reusit sa il depaseasca la 400watt.

Oricare dintre NH-D14, VenomousX, True sau Copper constituie o alegere buna pentru bench, insa cu Noctua sau Vx nu ai de lucru cu modarile (defel usoare) ce trebuie facute.

Nh-D14 fiind bun la toate, este recomandarea mea.
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Am updatat testul cu urma de la TRUE Black. Se poate vedea ca lapingul convex face "toti banii"

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Ii da oare grisul la "bosorog" ??

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Au facut si astia de la GlacialTech ceva mai rasarit sau doar risipa de metal?
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E mare si usor iar forma lamelelor este optimizata mai degraba pentru impresia vizuala. Practica ne poate dovedi contrariul, desi e putin probabil.
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