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Old 12-08-2009, 21:40   #1
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Default Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme vs. others

Cooler Master V8 vs. TRUE



Sa nu va speriati daca vedeti E8600 la 1.33v, este primul meu test de coolere facut in urma cu mai mult de un an de zile.
In acest thread vor fi publicate teste avind ca scop o comparatie cit mai obiectiva si in conditii cit mai egale a coolerelor ce ofera performante de top in conditii de high air flow.
Fata de articolul original publicat pe data de 06.11.2008 voi aduce mici imbunatatiri privind aspectul "grafic", incercind sa pastrez cit mai mult din originalitatea lui.

De ce Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme vs. others?. Pentru ca True este optiunea numarul unu cind vine vorba de performanta si bench pe aer. Daca aruncam o privire pe forumurile de entuziasti vom observa ca mai toti racesc procesoarele cu acest cooler, si mai mult ca sigur stiu de ce au facut aceasta alegere.
In aceasta serie de teste vom afla cum se comporta True in compania celor mai bune coolere existente si bineinteles va fi comparat cu orice cooler care promite o performanta buna pe acest segment (high air flow) in momentul in care va fi disponibil.

In ultimul timp Cooler Master a scos pe piata o serie de coolere performante: Gemini II, Hyper Z600 si V8.
Cooler Master V8 fiind ultima aparitie am vrut sa fac un mic test comparativ cu Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme (TRUE) mai ales ca la prima vedere V8 da impresia ca s-ar putea apropia ca performanta de TRUE.

Acest test fiind un versus am incercat sa fac conditiile de test cit mai egale pentru cele 2 coolere:
- amindoua sa aiba o baza cit mai plana si destul de finisata - V8 are baza foarte plana si finisarea destul de buna (planeitatea verificata cu sublerul), True este lapuit iar finisarea asemanatoare cu cea a lui V8.
- ventilatorul original de pe V8 a fost inlocuit cu un delta de 2200 rpm, folosit si la TRUE.
- interfata termica aceeasi la cele 2 coolere - AS5.
- sistemul de prindere foloseste acelasi procedeu de stringere la ambele coolere, presiunea probabil ca este destul de apropiata.
- temperatura ambientala constanta, intre 21c si 21.5c
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Old 12-08-2009, 21:45   #2
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Default Sistem de test



CPU - Core2 Duo E8600 @ 4150 mhz, 1.336 vcore load (1.4v bios)
MB - Asus Commando
RAM - Corsair DDR2 800 1X2 gb
VGA - Asus GF 6200 GE
PSU - Tagan TG530-U15 530 Watt
HDD - Samsung SP2504C
TIM - As5
Ventilator - Delta WBF1212H - folosit la 1000 si 2200rpm

Concurenti:

Cooler Master V8
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme - lapuit

Software folosit:

Linpack x64
Real Temp 2.79.8
Windows xp Pro x64 sp2

Am folosit Linpack x64 pe OS de 64 bit deoarece stresul aplicat procesorului este mai mare decit in mod 32bit iar temperatura obtinuta este mai mare cu pina la 10oC.
Temperatura trecuta in grafic reprezinta media aritmetica a temperaturilor maxime inregistrate de real temp pe cele 2 nuclee dupa 30 minute de linpack.
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Old 12-08-2009, 21:45   #3
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Concluzii:

Cooler Master V8 reuseste o performanta buna deoarece s-a apropiat destul de mult de True in conditiile in care arhitectura lui este cam "incurcata", nu este optimizat nici pentru silent cooling nici pentru high air flow iar cele 2 radiatoare aditionale de pe laterale probabil mai mult incurca, in special la airflow mare.
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Old 12-08-2009, 22:05   #4
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Inca o treaba excelenta facut-a de poparimiro Felicitari !
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Default Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer vs. TRUE



Coolerele cu tehnologie HDT sunt tot mai prezente pe piata si obtin rezultate tot mai bune in teste. Desi de prima data cind a aparut aceasta tehnologie eu am vazut mai mult minusurile ei m-am hotarit sa vad ce performante ofera si cit adevar exista in testele "de afara" ce pun coolerele HDT mai performante la egalitate cu TRUE sau coolerele performante ce nu detin aceasta "inovatoare tehnologie".

Sistem de test:



CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 @ 3700mhz - 1.536 vcore load
MB - Dfi LP UT P35 T2R
RAM - 2x1Gb Team Extreem PC8500
VGA - Ati Radeon X1300 pro
PSU - Thermaltake Toughpower 1500W
TIM - AS5
Ventilator - Delta WBF1212H - 2200rpm

Concurenti:

Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme (TRUE) - lapped
Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer (CCF)

Temperatura load - 20 min prime small fft
Calculul temperaturii = media temperaturilor nucleelor = (tc1+tc2+tc3+tc4)/4
Temperatura ambientala: 20c +/- 1c
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Concluzii si observatii:

- Pentru rezultate optime la CCF trebuie pusa o cantitate putin mai mare de TIM
- Mi-am zis ca termin repede cu testele dar pina la urma am testat de dimineata pina seara, cu pasta mai multa, mai putina, in diferite ordini, pozitii pentru a fi sigur de corectitudinea rezultatelor.
- Mi-ar fi placut sa testez cu linpack pe OS de 64bit dar cu acest procesor si aceasta frecventa nu a fost posibil datorita temperaturilor foarte mari.

Am repetat testele de mai multe ori deoarece la prima incercare cu CCF diferenta dintre el si TRUE a fost de 7-8c (ceeea ce mi s-a parut cam mult) si am luat si restart .
Am fost nevoit sa scad putin frecventa si vcore deoarece dupa mai multe incercari am tot luat restart cu CCF dupa 10-15 minute la 3800mhz si 1.568 vcore - TRUE a mers 40 minute la setarile astea fara probleme - tmax 77c (am oprit eu testul)
Am testat si TRUE dupa CCF si invers incercind sa obtin o diferenta de temperatura cit mai mica intre ele.
In cel mai bun caz diferenta de temperatura dintre ele a fost de ~ 6c (la ultimul test unde am obtinut cea mai mica diferenta de temperatura am testat TRUE dupa CCF dar am observat si o crestere a temperaturii in camera cu aproape 1c)

Observam ca diferenta de performanta dintre True si CCF este mare, tehnologia HDT isi arata limitele cind vine vorba de a raci procesoare foarte fierbinti.

Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer:

Pro:
- Pret (are ventilator inclus in pachet)
- Talpa destul de buna pentru un HDT
- Destul de usor de montat (la schimbarea procesorului nu trebuie demontata placa de baza)

Contra:
- Tehnologie HDT
- Sistemul de prindere nu are o presiune buna/mare de apasare (din care cauza pierde probabil ~ 2c)
- Nerecomandat pentru oc extrem pe aer
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Un nou rival de seama pentru True: CoolAge X120TF (Ultimate EXtreme Heatpipe Cooler)
Cateva detalii cu baza:
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CoolAge X120TF lapping & Modding:
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Old 07-09-2009, 17:41   #9
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pt ce avea nevoie de atata presiune?
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X120TF are un sistem de prindere destul de slab, presiune nu este prea buna iar lappingul face ca presiunea de strangere sa fie si mai slaba.

Coolerul are o baza buna, nu foarte finisata, dar plana (vezi aici). Daca studiezi urma de pasta de pe baza dupa lapping (cea de aici - mijloc) observi ca este mai proasta (stratul de pasta este ceva mai gros, datorita faptului ca lappingul scade presiunea) ca urma rezultata in urma testarii stock (stinga). Dupa aplicarea unei presiuni mari urma de pasta s-a mai imbunatatit (dreapta) deci presiunea suplimentata este benefica (nu este foarte tare strins incat sa apara alte probleme)

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pai alea-mi par suruburi de TR
cu 2 piulite de alea...mi se pare enorma presiunea (arcurle alea nu mai sunt arc,arata a cilindru)
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Asa e prindere originala, nu sunt suruburi TR, presiunea este mare (nu enorma), l-am strins pina s-au comprimat total arcurile, nu mai mult deoarece are backpalte de plastic pentru 775.
Normal ca pentru daily nu il tine nimeni asa dar eu l-am modat asa sa vad ce se poate obtine
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Interesant

Un TRUE vs Megahalems in conditii dure (VCore/Frecventa/TDP) ai incercat ? La low airflow se stie ce se intampla, la high airflow e lupta stransa.
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In conditii extreme (si ambient mic) nu e chiar asa strinsa lupta (daca pe Copper sufli aer rece e problema pentru restul)

Aici TDP mare, 3000rpm, 21c ambient, coolerele doar lapuite:



Conditii extreme: 15c ambient, extreme CFM si TDP, True si Copper modate integral (lapp + prindere)

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Cum "problema" IFX-14 imi statea pe cap de multa vreme,trebuia testat daca exista sau nu diferente intre exemplare. Asa ca iata-ne si aici
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1,2,3 si....nnnnnooooooi nu suntem normali, noi nu suntem normali, uraaaaaa draguta mea, noi nu suntem normali =))
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Ahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa, eram sigur de aceste manifestari.

Trebuie si asta facuta ca sa putem inchide intr-un fel sau altul dosarul IFX-14.
Poate vom mai avea inca un mic bonus la articol, sa vad daca e ceva interesant.
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Da, da...dupa ce vezi ca nu exista diferente majore intre exemplare si pur si simplu asa merge IFX, bonus-ul va fi o maaare catapulta, in care va fi pus IFX-ul si lansat spre un zid de beton, ca sa vedem cate stele ia la testul EuroNCAP. Parerea mea
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Mda cam ai dreptate, asta e si parerea mea, dar de mult am tot vrut sa fac si asta. Din cate exemplare de True am testat (destule ,unele mai proaste calitativ in sensul ca se miscau 2-3 lamele maxim iar la unele nu se misca nici una) nu a existat nici o diferenta de performanta.
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E o cauza pierduta IFX-ul si se pare ca inca nu te-ai convins
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