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Old 21-01-2021, 17:02   #3481
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Nu cred ca s-a degradat RAM-ul. Am mai auzit de probleme de-astea fix dupa update de BIOS. Incearca BIOS-ul ala beta. Ai optiune de flash fara CPU?

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Sincer, as reveni la A30, versiunea pe care o aveam cu 3700x, cand nu era problema asta.
Da, are optiune de flash fara procesor.
O sa incerc si varianta cu beta, apoi daca tot asa face, trec la A30.
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Mda, ma manca in cwr sa fac update la windows, de la 1909 la 20h2 si acum procesorul nu coboara sub 55 de grade cand inaintea statea si la 30 de grade... Sa ma fwt in windows si in AMD.
Restartul a disparut ieri si azi dupa dezactivare xmp, deci probabil memoriile si procesorul nu se impaca. Eh, le tin stock pana am timp sa caut altele.


L.E. Temperatura e din cauza indexarii facute de windows, cand dadui pauza scazu 20 de grade in 10 secunde. Acum e iar in jur de 35 cu spike-uri de 7-10 grade...
Mai ramane partea de ram. Nu stiu daca sa iau 64gb la 3200 cl 16 sau 32gb la 3600 cl16(14?). Nu pot sa spun ca am nevoie de mai mult de 32gb ram, dar parca suna bine 64gb.
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Bios update, win update.
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Eu am intel si nu am observat probleme pe temperaturi.
Cred ca au umblat si penla managentul memoriei, ca a scazut memoria totala ocupata (aceleasi servicii active).
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Bios update, win update.
Ultimul BIOS non-beta, ultima versiune de windows.
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Old 22-01-2021, 17:50   #3487
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Eu zic sa te mai joci la memoria ram fara XMP, cred ca in BIOS la MSI gasesti setari prestabilite pentru memorie, vezi si tu ce latente si frecvente merg cu procesorul tau ca sigur ii dai de cap sa-l faci stabil cu voltaj unpic mai mare.
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Am vazut cazuri pe net in care au dezactivat XMP si au pus fix aceleasi setari ca in XMP si gata cu BSOD-urile.

Trebuie bibilit kit-ul, nu cred ca-i nevoie sa fie schimbat.

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fix asa fac eu cand combin module de ram diferite. xmp off si pui multiplicatorul dorit si merge.
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La pc-ul de la profil imi luam bsod in idle din cauza "power down" lasat pe auto. L am trecut pe disabled si problema a disparut. Cred ca setarile de economisire a energiei cauzeaza bsod in idle (memorii sau cpu). As incerca si cu multiplicator si voltaj fixe.
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Ce porcarie. Ce naiba, chiar si acum, dupa atatia ani, mai vad probleme la AMD pe care le-am intalnit si acum 10 ani? Wtf?
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Cam de cacao, true. Presimt ca urmeaza o saptamana de chin cu noul build pana-l bibilesc cum trebuie. M-au cam speriat colegii.

Da' gata, I don't wanna jinx it.
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Eu zic sa te mai joci la memoria ram fara XMP, cred ca in BIOS la MSI gasesti setari prestabilite pentru memorie, vezi si tu ce latente si frecvente merg cu procesorul tau ca sigur ii dai de cap sa-l faci stabil cu voltaj unpic mai mare.
Nu am timp si nici chef sa stau sa bibilesc la ram. Era perfect daca ii dadeam xmp si mergea si gata. Pe parcurs o sa mai incerc, dar sincer as vinde kit-ul de acum si as lua fie tot 32gb 3600, dar cl16(14), fie 64gb de ram la 3200. Ma mai gandesc, ziceam ca mai intai fac partea de racire cu apa inainte de alte investitii.
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Toate bune si frumoase cu PC-ul deja outdated, pana in toamna asta cand au inceput crashurile dese in jocurile mai noi si ocazional blue screens. Multe crashuri cu WHEA uncorrectable errors, asa ca am zis ca memoriile sunt cauza.
Kitul de memorii cu pricina, noi luate prin august: GSkill Trident Z DDR4 2x16GB 3200 CL14 (testate si recomandate de Monstru intr-un articol). De la niste memorii top end pe DDR4, producator renumit, aveam asteptari mari, dar deh, se pare ca daca dau uncorrectable errors ceva e defect pe unul din module, habar nu am unde. Le-am folosit vreo 4 luni, timp in care in Windows browsing, office use sau jocuri mai vechi mergeau bine. Daca treceam la lucruri mai serioase gen GTA 5, Control etc, crashuri la greu.
Am rulat teste cu MemTestPRO, dupa 30-35% load incep sa crape. Am facut retur si am pus vechile Kindston 2400 CL17, cu care nu mai crapa, cel putin o perioada.
Din ianuarie am inceput sa joc Cyberpunk, care a mers bine vreo 30 ore, dupa care iar crash la maxim 10-15min. M-au luat toti dracii, ca WoW classic, D3, SC2 etc nu crapa deloc, am deschis ticket la CD Projekt, m-au pus sa deschid ticket la Bitdefender, o luna de teste, certuri, patchuri care nu rezolvau problema, drivere schimbate, Windows update, nimic. Am facut retur la Cyberpunk, le-am zis ca e de kkt si nu merge deloc. Am zis sa revin la GTA 5, dar surpriza, crapa in maxim 2-3 minute, stand idle afara sau in cladiri....soc si groaza! Am incercat si Valheim ca tot e la moda, crapa si ala (nu asa des, dar in maxim 1h crapa). Alte teste, reinstalat windows, testat clean fara nici o aplicatie, fara antivirus....uneori crapa, alteori nu....

Dupa saptamani de nervi si cautari pentru probleme software (windows, drivers) am zis sa mai fac si teste de HW. Memoriile le schimbasem deja, iar in august schimbasem si pasta la procesor, am NH-D15 cu toate fans Noctua, nu am avut niciodata probleme cu temperatura, nu e overclockat, am dat si disable la XMP, nimic.
Am luat AIDA64 si mi-a dat la FPU test warning de hardware failure....ok, am cautat CPU diagnostics.Am gasit Intel CPU diagnostic tool, despre care nici nu stiam ca exista, si initial totul ok, Passed la toate categoriile cu profil default. Cu profilul de Burn-in test imi crapa dupa vreo 3h cu bluescreen.
Bag AIDA64 Extreme, toate testele de CPU in afara de floating point peste noapte, dupa 8h 30min nu crapase...Bag iar doar FPU, hardware failure warning.
Mai bag MemTestPRO, all available RAM, dupa fresh windows install fara nimic altceva, blue screen dupa 5-6min.
Cautat in events viewer, analiza pe core dump, pare a fi un core busit:

CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT (101)
An expected clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor in an
MP system within the allocated interval. This indicates that the specified
processor is hung and not processing interrupts.
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000018, Clock interrupt time out interval in nominal clock ticks.
Arg2: 0000000000000000, 0.
Arg3: ffffa681e0b40180, The PRCB address of the hung processor.
Arg4: 0000000000000004, The index of the hung processor.

Nu stiu ce sa ii mai fac, nu am cu ce alt CPU sau MB sa fac teste. Am cautat pe olx, un 6700k sh e 800-900 lei, fara garantie, nici nu stiu cum a fost folosit.
Prin urmare si din lipsa de alternative, alt Intel 6th gen nu mai gasesc, ma gandesc sa schimb MB+CPU. Stau si citesc si studiez, incerc sa vad daca merita sa trec pe AMD Ryzen 3 sau sa raman la Intel.

Daca are cineva sfaturi, idei, posibilitatea de a imi testa si mie independent CPU, as fi recunoscator. Bucuresti sau 30km in jur, fara griji, ma pot deplasa.
Daca voi v-ati mai lovit de asta si e clar ca CPU a crapat, sa merg pe AMD 5600X, sau sa raman la Intel cu un 10700k (ca tot am avut 2500k si 6700k). Ca placa de baza, care ar fi cea mai stabila pentru daily use, extended uptime? Nu prea ma intereseaza OC, doar gaming, ceva masini virtuale de test (nimic care ruleaza frecvent sau mult timp), office use...

Am vazut gama asta de la Gigabyte si suna foarte tentant pentru mine, ca m-am saturat de incompatibilitaty, probleme, crashuri random, petrecut fiecare minut din timpul liber limitat pentru a sapa prin articolele de suport tehnic si cauta acul in carul cu fan...

Gigabyte states its Vision line offers “...a no-compromise platform that excels in performance, functionality, and stability… paving the way for creators to work faster and efficiently...”

Hai ca am facut mai mult un rant decat expunere tehnica, mai atasez niste screenshots in speranta ca mai salvez situatia.
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Old 21-02-2021, 01:29   #3495
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in ultimul SS vad eu bine ca procesorul e OC la 4600?
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Old 21-02-2021, 10:15   #3496
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Despre ce HW este vorba?
Nu se înțelege nimic din polologia expusă...
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Old 21-02-2021, 11:24   #3497
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Vad ca eroarea din utlimul screenshot se spune ca apare la overclock

Clock_watchdog_timeout overclock – This error usually occurs after you overclock your hardware. If your hardware is overclocked, remove the overclock settings and check if that solves the issue.

In plus, eu nu prea vad temperaturi in imaginile puse de tine.
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Salut,

Ok, probabil sunt prea mici imaginile (a trebuit sa fac resize ca nu accepta forumul poze peste 500k).

System Information
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Time of this report: 2/21/2021, 11:15:46
Machine name: DESKTOP-05QHAK4
Machine Id: {87EBCDB1-3ECB-4CD0-B322-214729844650}
Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 19042) (19041.vb_release.191206-1406)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: Z170X-Gaming 7
BIOS: F22m (type: UEFI)
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz (8 CPUs), ~4.0GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16342MB RAM
Page File: 6482MB used, 12803MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 12
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
Miracast: Available, with HDCP
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
DirectX Database Version: 1.0.8
DxDiag Version: 10.00.19041.0546 64bit Unicode

Card name: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce RTX 2080
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Type: Full Device (POST)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1E87&SUBSYS_37B31458&REV_A1
Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_E NUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER]
Device Problem Code: No Problem
Driver Problem Code: Unknown
Display Memory: 16180 MB
Dedicated Memory: 8010 MB
Shared Memory: 8170 MB
Current Mode: 2560 x 1440 (32 bit) (144Hz)
HDR Support: Supported

Sound Devices
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Description: C32HG7x (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10DE&DEV_0092&SUBSYS_145837B3& REV_1001
Manufacturer ID: N/A
Product ID: N/A
Type: N/A
Driver Name: nvhda64v.sys
Driver Version: 1.3.38.35 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 9/30/2020 2:00:00 AM, 230720 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: NVIDIA Corporation
HW Accel Level: Emulation Only

Description: Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (High Definition Audio Device)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_1102&DEV_0011&SUBSYS_1458A036& REV_1009
Manufacturer ID: N/A
Product ID: N/A
Type: N/A
Driver Name: HdAudio.sys
Driver Version: 10.0.19041.264 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 5/9/2020 2:00:00 AM, 430080 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Microsoft
HW Accel Level: Emulation Only

Description: Headphones (Arctis Pro Wireless Game)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: USB\VID_1038&PID_1294&REV_0111&MI_03
Manufacturer ID: N/A
Product ID: N/A
Type: N/A
Driver Name: USBAUDIO.sys
Driver Version: 10.0.19041.789 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 1/29/2021 2:00:00 AM, 210432 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Microsoft
HW Accel Level: Emulation Only


Description: Headset Earphone (Arctis Pro Wireless Chat)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: USB\VID_1038&PID_1294&REV_0111&MI_00
Manufacturer ID: N/A
Product ID: N/A
Type: N/A
Driver Name: USBAUDIO.sys
Driver Version: 10.0.19041.789 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 1/29/2021 2:00:00 AM, 210432 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Microsoft
HW Accel Level: Emulation Only
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

Am facut aseara iar fresh install, ca rulasem Driver Verifier de la MS, si am intrat in reboot loop cu blue sceen in loading, nici nu mai apucam sa intru in Windows. Nu am facut update la nici un driver, nu am instalat nimic in afara de firefox.

Nu stiu exact de ce apare CPU la 4.6GHz, pt ca base clock e auto, clock ratio e auto, deci nu are cum sa aiba o frecventa diferita. A avut OC din prima zi, cred ca initial la 4.4, apoi la 4.6, dar asta nu a fost o problema ani de zile, dupa cum spuneam am racire foarte buna, pasta o schimb la fiecare 2 ani, totul e ok pe partea asta.

Da, vad ca nu am postat si temperaturile, o sa rulez iar testul si o sa selectez tabul de temp.
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Intel Processor Diagnostics
Preset: Full functional test (default)

--- IPDT64 - Revision: 4.1.5.37
--- IPDT64 - Start Time: 2/21/2021 2:29:37 PM

----------------------------------------------
-- Testing
----------------------------------------------
CPU 1 - Genuine Intel - Pass.
CPU 1 - BrandString - Pass.
CPU 1 - Cache - Pass.
CPU 1 - MMXSSE - Pass.
CPU 1 - IMC - Pass.
CPU 1 - Prime Number - Pass.
CPU 1 - Floating Point - Pass.
CPU 1 - Math - Pass.
CPU 1 - GPUStressW - Pass.
CPU 1 - CPULoad - Pass.
CPU 1 - CPUFreq - Pass.

IPDT64 Passed
--- IPDT64 - Revision: 4.1.5.37
--- IPDT64 - End Time: 2/21/2021 2:33:27 PM

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PASS

Temperaturile maxime sunt sub 65 grade.
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