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Old 24-11-2016, 23:42   #3641
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Ce nu inteleg eu e de ce Intel nu "le rupe fâșu'" astora de la AMD.
Pt. că Intel e (sau, OK, era... nu am informaţii actualizate) unul din acţionarii principali de la AMD?
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Old 25-11-2016, 01:13   #3642
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Cei de la Intel prefera un AMD in coma, nu la morga. Daca AMD da ortu' popii, ar putea fi cumparati de cineva competent si cu resurse, ori tocmai asta vor Intel sa evite.
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Old 25-11-2016, 09:28   #3643
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Mai e si problema licentelor x86-x64; daca Intel ramane singur, atunci inseamna monopol, si la americani asta nu e ceva acceptat.
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:01   #3644
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Nici în Eu nu e acceptat, ba chiar Eu face gât mai rău ca USA la partea cu monopolurile.
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Old 25-11-2016, 19:08   #3645
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Pentru ca e complicat cand nu ai concurenta. Multe hartii de facut.
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Old 25-11-2016, 19:15   #3646
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Multe hartii de facut.
Fac pariu ca mai multe de luat. Pana la urma n-ar fi vina Intel ca AMD sunt incompetenti si dau faliment.
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Old 25-11-2016, 20:12   #3647
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Din cate-mi amintesc Intel a riscat sa fie spart prin anii 70-80 daca nu permite si altora sa faca procesoare compatibile. Astfel au impartit discretionar licente ce nu pot fi vandute. Astfel a luat fiinta AMD, iar citrix, VIA etc. au primit licenta. Daca companiile ce-au primit licenta fuzioneaza sau sunt cumparate atunci licenta detinuta de acea companie devine nula.
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Old 26-11-2016, 01:00   #3648
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VIA inca are licenta pentru x86, dar produce doar chipuri lowend pentru diverse dispozitive integrate, deci Intel nici nu se sinchiseste cu ei,

AMD: x86 license deal with Intel can’t block our merger or takeover [UPDATED]


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Both companies take advantage of the cross-license agreement since this allows the chip designers to relatively quickly incorporate new functionality into products, which is a good for the industry in general. However, the pact has a number of limitations. For example, the companies are not allowed to build processors that are compatible with competitor’s infrastructure (e.g., sockets, mainboards, etc.). The companies also cannot change their ownership, merge with other companies on certain terms or enter into certain kind of joint-venture agreements that effectively change their ownership. ....

The cross-license agreement is automatically terminated when one of the parties changes its ownership or control. Many analysts believe that this clause in the agreement has kept multiple companies and strategic investors away from AMD because without an cross-license deal with Intel the company loses legal rights to build x86-compatible processors. Products containing Intel’s x86 and other IP account for 70 per cent of AMD’s revenue. However, AMD’s CFO denies that AMD will face drastic problems in case there is a change of control.
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Since Intel does use intellectual property of AMD inside its chips, it needs an agreement with AMD. However, it should be noted that if the cross-license between AMD and Intel is terminated because a party gets acquired by a third company, licenses granted to another party will survive unless that other party gets acquired too (i.e., if AMD is taken over, Intel sustains rights to AMD’s IP), in accordance with the term 5.2d of the agreement. The same happens if one company gets bankrupt.
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Old 26-11-2016, 06:09   #3649
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AMD Zen 8 Core SR7 Flagship To Sell For $499, Boost To 3.5Ghz & Outperform Intel’s $999 i7 5960X
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Old 26-11-2016, 06:30   #3650
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:08   #3651
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Ce nu inteleg eu e de ce Intel nu "le rupe fâșu'" astora de la AMD. Nici n-ar fi nevoie sa se forteze sa scoata ceva ce AMD nu va putea ajunge, sa puna un pret bun(si tot ar scoate profit mare din volum de vanzari) si cu ocazia asta sa-i scoata de pe piata ca apoi sa aiba monopol.
Sunt tari (mai toate) in care nu ai voie sa ai monopol. Ca sa nu mai spun ca pana si aproape orice pret pus pe un produs poate fi atacat in justitie ca "pret impus prin poziutie dominanta"
Deci daca nu mai exista AMD, trebuie reinventat. Intel are interesul ca AMD sa existe si sa produca. Le arunca oase din cand in cand.
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:16   #3652
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Daca e adevarat ca bate competitorul Intel, la juma' de pret, e tare de tot, sincer, chiar daca inseamna 2600 lei.
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Old 26-11-2016, 17:23   #3653
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150 de dolari pentru i7.... N-ar fi rau.
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:43   #3654
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Daca e adevarat ca bate competitorul Intel, la juma' de pret, e tare de tot, sincer, chiar daca inseamna 2600 lei.
defapt cam asta ar fi pretul real si al lui Core i7-5960X.... daca AMD poate din toata "saracia" sa il scoata la pretul (avand si in vedere ca au investit bani in noua arhitectura) asta iti dai seama cat de mult umfla Intel pretul, in conditiile in care Intel poate negocia de pe o alta pozitie cu cu toti suppliery....si arhitectura asta e deja "veche" si amortizata.

Performanta nu vad de ce nu ar fi la nivelul ala, avand in vedere ca AMD a cam copiat arhitectura intel sau ma rog principiile ei de baza.

Zenul 8c/16T ala de 350$ va fi the cash cow cred eu

ce ar fi fost mai interesant ca quadcores sa aiba un consum mai mic...si ar fi fost super misto pentru home servers

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Old 27-11-2016, 17:11   #3655
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Eu nu pun botul la ce se aude despre AMD Zen pana nu vad teste reale nu leak-uri, zvonuri si alte balarii de pe internet adunate. Ca acum e la moda pentru site-urile de stiri IT sa arunce public tot felul de articole de tip "click bite". AMD-ul n-a zis nimic, exact asa a fost si in cazul Polaris la GPU-uri. AMD-ul nu dezvaluise nimic despre nume, performanta si preturi, dar in schimb tot internetul era plin de articole despre asa ceva, pline cu grafice, nume, performante... preturi... ca bate Nvidia, ca face si ca drege... Si in final totul a fost fals dupa lansare. Apoi cica ca a fost doar un "hype". Pe bune ? Hype ? Pai de ce ? Din cauza acestor site-uri de stiri IT care manaca rahat cu pumnul mereu si induce lumea in eroare. Pana cand AMD-ul nu confirma nimic din ce se scrie, inseamna ca nimic nu e adevarat. Eu asta cred, e doar opinia mea, sper sa nu fiti iar dezamagiti ca urmare la ce cititi pe net din zvonuri.
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:19   #3656
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Almost too good to be true!

E nevoie de un miracol ca sa se intample asa ceva, insa Zen a fost proiectat de acelasi CPU-arhitect, Jim Keller care a mai reusit odata miracolul de a invinge Intel cu Athlon64 (si care n-a fost de fata la dezastrul Bulldozer, lucrand pentru Apple la vremea aceea).Cred ca fost singura data din istorie cand Intel a fost invinsa, daca retin bine....
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:33   #3657
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Se pare ca la anul o sa schimb si eu platforma SB one way or another
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Old 27-11-2016, 23:01   #3658
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AMD-ul n-a zis nimic, exact asa a fost si in cazul Polaris la GPU-uri.
Cum nu a zis ... pai de acolo a pornit hype-ul ... de la conferinta de presa la care au anuntat zenul.

Evident asteptam si noi benchmarkurile
@rage fuury, sper sa fie si un 8c/16t la 350$ ... oricum pozele alea se bat cap in cap una zice 8 cores alta zice 8 cores cu HT

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Old 28-11-2016, 03:06   #3659
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Lasa ma ca ce au testat ei nu prea era valabil. Au pus un i7 downclock intr-un test sintetic... mare fass.
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Old 28-11-2016, 07:11   #3660
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AMD spune ca va fi cu 40% mai bun decat tot ce a scos pana acum, asta inseamna ca nu ca nu va reusi sa bata un i7 4790K in gaming, deci nu va agitati prea tare.
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