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Old 05-09-2011, 21:28   #21
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Problema e simpla. Nu putem evalua un produs facind abstractie de pret. Iar H100 e un produs scump. In conditiile in care vrem sa schimbam sau sa mai adaugam niste ventilatoare deja ne ducem usor spre 600 ron. Adica dublu fata de un heatsink de calitate.

Intrebarea e: merita H100 efortul asta pentru performantele similare sau mai proaste?
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macar acum nu se mai plange nimeni de cat costa Noctua
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Intrebarea e: merita H100 efortul asta pentru performantele similare sau mai proaste?
Nu merită. La un ~350RON era altă poveste.
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ar fi fost misto niste quick connectors, majoritatea carcaselor care se respecta au gauri pt watercooling, dar la kiturile all in one nu poti sa le desfaci si sa tragi furtunele prin gauri si sa ramana radiatorul afara, ar fi fost cred cea mai utila treaba, dar ar fi complicat un pic instalatia.
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daca faceau asa ceva, mai adaugau 300-400 lei la pretul lui
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:20   #26
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Inainte de a pune cateva rezultate comparative postez un tabel care nu a fost publicat in nici un articol, testele au fost facute doar pentru mine (la aparitia lui Archon), sa vad comportamentul greilor racirii pe aer.

Archon a fost testat inclusiv cu Liquid Pro pentru a maximiza transferul termic si pentru a-i vedea adevaratul potential la TDP urias.

Printre altele, se poate observa ca Silver Arrow are o deficienta de la un anumit TDP in sus, probabil un heatpipe cu probleme (urma de TIM era foarte buna), iar la testul de ultra extreme TDP (~400watt) un singur cooler a reusit sa raceasca procesorul, Archonul nereusind acest lucru nici in cazul folosirii Liquid Pro.

Sistem de test:

Gigabyte UD9
i7920 lapped
23c ambient
PK-1/Liquid Pro

Mai mentionez ca True Copper a fost selectionat din 3 bucati, existand diferente intre exemplare, iar la Archon la fel, neexistand diferente intre exemplare.

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Old 06-09-2011, 19:23   #27
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Old 11-09-2011, 23:43   #28
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Am folosit doua TDP-uri, unul mare si unul foarte mare pentru a vedea comportamentul in conditii extreme. Coolerul folosit pentru comparatie este True Copper (lapuit convex).

Sistem de test:

MB - Gigabyte UD9
CPU - i7920 lapped
VGA - Asus HD 6670
28c ambient
TIM - PK-1

TDP 1 - 1.415vCORE (MM), 1.35vQPI, 1.8vDRAM

TRUE 2x500rpm - FAIL (6 min)
H100 2x500rpm - FAIL (9 min)

TRUE 2x800rpm - 88.5c
H100 2x800rpm - 85.7c

TRUE 2x1200rpm - 81.2c
H100 2x1200rpm - 81.5c

TRUE 2x1600rpm - 78.7c
H100 2x1600rpm - 79c

TRUE 2x2600rpm - 76c
H100 2x2600rpm - 76.5c

TRUE 2x4000rpm - 73.2c
H100 2x4000rpm - 75.7c

TRUE 2x6000rpm - 72.2c
H100 2x6000rpm - 74.7c


H100 stoc low - 86.2c
H100 stoc hi (2x2600rpm) - 78.2c



TDP 2 - 1.585vCORE (MM), 1.55vQPI, 2.0vDRAM


TRUE 2x6000rpm - 92.5c
H100 2x6000rpm - FAIL
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Old 11-09-2011, 23:47   #29
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Observam ca performanta este buna, H100 reusind sa depaseasca copperul pana la 800rpm. Urma de TIM este buna, semn ca baza si sistemul de prindere sunt bine construite.

Ventilatoarele stoc au o eficienta mai slaba decat san ace-urile de 2600rpm, dar trebuie tinut cont ca sunt de doar 25mm fata de 38mm la san ace.

Blocul are controlere e turatie integrate, iar pompa are 2000rpm si este silentioasa.

H100 s-a comportat peste asteptarile mele, iar imbunatatirile aduse de Corsair ventilatoarelor si sistemului de prindere reprezinta un punct pozitiv foarte important in opinia mea. Coolerul se comporta bine si la TDP-uri foarte mari cu toate ca nu a reusit sa treaca cu bine testul. Cele peste doua minute in care a rezistat nehalemului la aproape 1.6v confirma acest lucru, si asta la un ambient foarte mare.

La aspecte mai putin bune amintesc pretul si ventilatoarele, care puteau fi mai eficiente, pentru ca observam ca foarte eficientele Slip Stream-uri de la Scythe aproape le ajung la o turatie cu 1000 rpm mai mica.
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Spune-mi te rog, cand ai verificat viteza pompei, erau cuplate cumva si ventilatoarele stock?

Intreb pentru ca 2 utilizatori de H60 mi-au spus ca inregistreaza 4200-4400 RPM, ceea ce mi se pare cam ciudat. Ma gandesc ca poate H80 si H100 afiseaza mai degraba viteza ventilatoarelor...
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Avand in vedere ca a fost testat la 500 si 800 rpm cred ca a folosit un controler de turatie separat si ventilatoarele nu au fost conectate direct la H100.

P.S. Ramiro, te-ai mai jucat un pic cu el?
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D'oh! Logic...

Ma gandeam ca poate a facut o proba scurta si cu ventilatoarele stock si ca doar atunci a verificat viteza. Pana nu intrebi nu stii.
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http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98056

30 de secunde pe google.
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Mersi, stiu si eu sa caut pe google. :|

Problema e ca atat xbit cat si alti utilizatori au inregistrat 1320RPM la H80 si/sau H100, in timp ce altii au 2000.
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Daca reprezentantul producatorului iti spune ca e 2000 tot timpul ce mai vrei?

Or fi unele defecte dar asta nu mai tine de specificatiile oficiale.
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Ma ierti daca nu am incredere intr-un om, fie el si reprezentantul producatorului? Sa imi explice el de ce unii au 1320, ca e defect sau altceva, si de ce H60 are 4400RPM cand tot el a spus ca pompele sunt la fel pentru H60, H80 si H100.

Specificatiile oficiale ale pompei nu exista pe pagina producatorilui. De-asta sunt nevoit sa rog pe cineva care are sistemul sa verifice.
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Am verificat de mai multe ori pompa, atat in bios cat si cu soft, doar ea conectata.

Toate ventilatoarele (in afara de cele stoc) sunt cu turatie fixa si au fost conectate la molex.
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Buna ziua,

Sunt nou aici, aceasta este prima mea postare si va salut cu ocazia asta.
Ceea ce as dori sa evidentiez este ca la ora actuala NH-D14 este cel mai bun cooler pe aer existent. DAR (exista un "dar") dimensiunile sale sunt destul de mari acoperind zona din vecinatatea procesorului si chiar si Northbridge-ul. Acest lucru obstructioneaza intr-o oarecare masura disiparea caldurii creata de MOSFET-uri, NB, s.a. creandu-se "puncte fierbinti" pana ce aerul cald ajunge la ventilatorul coolerului. Acest inconvenient il au marea majoritate a coolerelor pe aer. Cand vine vorba despre H100 e cunoscut faptul ca este cel mai bun sistem de racire all-in-one pentru CPU existent pe piata depasind chiar si pe Antec Kuhler H2O 920. Marele avantaj al acestor tipuri de sisteme de racire este ca acea pompa a lor se monteaza fix peste CPU lasand astfel tranzistorii, capacitorii, NB-ul, memoriile si celelalte piese din vecinatatea procesorului sa "respire", caldura degajata fiind mai usor disipata; pana la urma intreg sistemul din carcasa devenind mai aerisit.
Personal, din motivul mentionat anterior, prefer H100 mai ales ca este chiar sub celebrul cooler de la Noctua si chiar ii sufla in ceafa. Dar daca se doreste performanta strict pentru procesor atunci clar NH-D14.
Interesant ar fi daca cineva ar putea fotografia in infrarosu un sistem atat cu NH-D14 cat si cu H100 pentru a vedea clar unde se acumuleaza caldura. De asemenea ventilatoarele cu care vine H100... nu sunt proaste dar nici de prea buna calitate. Astfel, daca ar putea cineva incerca performanta de a monta pe H100 4 ventilatoare Noctua NF-P12 (pentru ca acestea au presiune ridicata) in configuratie push/pull cred ca s-ar reusi devansarea celebrului NH-D14. Insa nu trebuie uitat pretul pentru o astfel de configuratie: H100 + 4 Noctua NF-P12; acesta fiind destul de ridicat.

Cam atat am avut de spus momentan iar daca am gresit undeva astept sa fiu corectat.
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