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Old 02-03-2017, 17:59   #4881
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In winrar acolo cred ca e o problema cu programul, de asta rezultatul e asa mic.
Are o problema (cu) AMD pentru ca intel se misca ok.

Acu ce vreau sa stiu daca un 1700 face 4 ghz all cores si cu ce voltaj?
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Old 02-03-2017, 18:01   #4882
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Oh yeah...AMD is back in the game

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Old 02-03-2017, 18:02   #4883
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Interesant ca 1800x 8c/8t se misca mai bine in unele jocuri decat 8c/16t:



http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews...chmarks/page-7
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Old 02-03-2017, 18:03   #4884
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Presupun ca anumite aplicatii vor primi patch-uri si se vor misca mai bine cu Ryzen....

Review-ul Computerbase.de cu un titlu interesant

"Ryzen- King in applications, Prince in games"
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-03/...00x-1700-test/
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Old 02-03-2017, 18:10   #4885
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Abia acum incepe sa se vada optimizarea execrabila a jocurilor.

Sunt curios daca 4c/8t ce apare mai tarziu o sa duca peste 4.5. Mai ales ca ar trebui sa vina cu un pret foarte mic.
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Old 02-03-2017, 18:20   #4886
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Probabil 1700 vor merge 3900-4000 MHz cu 1.35-1.42V, 4500 MHz vor fi un vis frumos pe aer, ca si la placile video AMD a urcat destul de mult frecventa la procesoare, nu prea mai este loc de un overclock spectaculos.
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Old 02-03-2017, 18:22   #4887
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IPC este sub SL/KL din ce vad eu dar la nivel de BW asa cum am banuit!
Eu ma asteptam la asta, din pacate in jocuri cazurile cand ai nevoie de mai mult de 4 nuclee sun f.f. rare! Daca producatorii nu pun umarul la treaba sa optimizeze codul pe care il pun in jocuri si avem situatii ca in WoT unde primele 2 nuclee pun osul la treaba si celelalte aproape ca someaza nu vad de ce cineva ar cumpara 1700 in locul unui 7700k (preturi apropiate) daca foloseste pc-ul numai pt jocuri!
In schimb daca foloseste pc-ul la chestii "serioase" si scoate bani din asta atunci raportul pret/performanta duce la o singura concluzie: AMD is back!
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Old 02-03-2017, 18:27   #4888
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Daca scoti bani din pc sigur mergi pe intel ca ala se OC mai bine... punct, iar 500E cat e diferenta ii scoti dintr-o miscare maxim 2 Intotdeauna iei ceva mai bun cand vb de ceva profi pentru ca se plateste singur.

Felicitari pt review, frumos, l-am citit pe fuga dar il termin cand ajung acasa, chiar frumos.
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Old 02-03-2017, 18:31   #4889
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Treaba e clară, dacă vrei gaming, Ryzen 8c/16t nu este o alegere bună. Să vedem cum se va descurca baby-Ryzen-ul 6c/12t, e posibil să meargă tot pe acolo în jocuri, poate chiar uşor mai bine, dar la un preţ mult mai mic.
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Pe cel cu 6/12 il astept,sa speram ca umileste un i5,desi in oc nu cred ca poate face ceva.
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Ma...de ce... de ce **zda ma-sii va plac strutocamilele din doua pastile ciuntite? Ori iei 1700, care la 1600 RON e chiar ok, ori iei un quadcore de doamne ajuta. De ce ai vrea sexacore?
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Felicitari Monstrule, unul dintre cele mai reusite review-uri citite de mine. Iarta graba initiala de a ma uita doar la grafice...si mie mi-ai trezit amintiri din epoca K6-2, AXP, A64 skt.754 si alte minunatii AMD pe care le-am butonat in trecut
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Pentru ca sunt calea de mijloc. Daca cumva quad-ul urca mai sus atunci as zice ca e o alegere buna dar daca nu atunci core-urile extra pot sa compenseze in the long run.
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Ma...de ce... de ce **zda ma-sii va plac strutocamilele din doua pastile ciuntite? Ori iei 1700, care la 1600 RON e chiar ok, ori iei un quadcore de doamne ajuta. De ce ai vrea sexacore?
Poate se pot debloca alea 6/12.Ma gandesc ca cele 4/8 au doar o pastila si sunt mie la suta nedeblocabile,nu ai ce debloca?

Oricum,pretul la 1700 simplu chiar e bun si cine stie,poate chiar mai scade in cateva luni.
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Felicitari Monstrule, unul dintre cele mai reusite review-uri citite de mine. Iarta graba initiala de a ma uita doar la grafice...si mie mi-ai trezit amintiri din epoca K6-2, AXP, A64 skt.754 si alte minunatii AMD pe care le-am butonat in trecut

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Pentru ca sunt calea de mijloc.
Daca ai 12 milioane ai si 16 da-o in ma-sa de treaba... Si daca nu iti trebuie 8, nu iti trebuie nici 6. Uita-te cat de stingher si penibil e 6800K in review intre 1800X si 7700K... Ma rog...parerea mea... voi luati ce va face cu ochiul.
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...As mentioned, we encountered lower-than-expected results in many of our game benchmarks. Concerned that the explanation could be related to Windows' handling of P-states, we ran tests on Ryzen under the High Performance and Balanced power profiles as a diagnostic measure. The former is denoted with an HP in our charts. Intel's chips are tested using Windows' Balanced profile, representing the way most of us configure our desktops.
The Zen architecture is AMD's first with simultaneous multi-threading, so we also tested the Ryzen 7 1800X with SMT disabled to flesh out any performance deltas attributable to this feature. Indeed, we observed higher performance with SMT turned off in some titles.
Finally, we normalized the clock rates of our test samples to compare per-clock performance. Game engines and DX11 do not always scale linearly, so our 3.8 GHz numbers merely serve as a referenc
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...pu,4951-6.html

Les jeux ont rarement profité de cette technologie, et en pratique nos tests du jour montrent que la situation n'a pas vraiment changée. Même chez Intel, on perd 2% de performances sur la moyenne avec l'HyperThreading actif.

Mais dans le cas d'AMD l'écart est plus large, sur la moyenne on s'approche des 9% de pertes de performances à cause de l'activation du SMT. En pratique, ceux qui jouent beaucoup profiteront donc de la désactivation du SMT sur Zen.

Il est difficile de juger la raison de cette perte plus importante, d'autant que le scheduler de Windows est mystérieux, et que l'on ne sait pas encore aujourd'hui comment il traite Zen. D'autres facteurs peuvent cependant jouer, nous y reviendrons un peu plus tard dans l'article
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AMD responds to 1080p gaming tests on Ryzen:
"As we presented at Ryzen Tech Day, we are supporting 300+ developer kits with game development studios to optimize current and future game releases for the all-new Ryzen CPU. We are on track for 1000+ developer systems in 2017. For example, Bethesda at GDC yesterday announced its strategic relationship with AMD to optimize for Ryzen CPUs, primarily through Vulkan low-level API optimizations, for a new generation of games, DLC and VR experiences."
CPU benchmarking deficits to the competition in certain games at 1080p resolution can be attributed to the development and optimization of the game uniquely to Intel platforms – until now. Even without optimizations in place, Ryzen delivers high, smooth frame rates on all “CPU-bound” games, as well as overall smooth frame rates and great experiences in GPU-bound gaming and VR. With developers taking advantage of Ryzen architecture and the extra cores and threads, we expect benchmarks to only get better, and enable Ryzen excel at next generation gaming experiences as well.
Game performance will be optimized for Ryzen and continue to improve from at-launch frame rate scores.” John Taylor, AMD

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processor...ng-tests-Ryzen

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AMD firmly believes that they can improve gaming performance with Ryzen optimizations as all the games we tested with were optimized on Intel, so they feel the testing is one sided right now. They also have a Windows Driver coming in approximately one month that will help performance as the Windows High Precision Event Timer (HPET) isn’t playing nice with the SenseMI sensors that poll the CPU status every millisecond.
“AMD expects to create a simplified solution in the next month to set a Windows profile that pairs the optimum performance experienced in the High Performance power plan, with the energy efficiency experienced in the Balanced power plan.” – AMD


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Old 02-03-2017, 19:10   #4897
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Acum cateva luni:
Eu: testati si Battlefield 4.
Monstru: De ce sa testam cu Battlefield 4 cand imediat vine Battlefield 1? (oricum un non-motiv, dar treaca de la mine)
Astazi, Battlefield 1 e lansat de ceva timp, lansare de proace...
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Unde ii Battlefiled 1?
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Un review foarte bine pus la punct, cu notiuni din istoria amd/intel, si teste foarte ample, ca de obicei de altfel, chiar foarte interesant.
Felicitari, Monstrule!!!
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Acum cateva luni:
Eu: testati si Battlefield 4.
Monstru: De ce sa testam cu Battlefield 4 cand imediat vine Battlefield 1? (oricum un non-motiv, dar treaca de la mine)
Astazi, Battlefield 1 e lansat de ceva timp, lansare de proace...
PAUZA...

Unde ii Battlefiled 1?
Uite nu e. Refuz sa testez jocuri care nu doar ca nu au benchmark integrat dar sunt si anti testeri din mai multe puncte de vedere.
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e clar, iau r7 1700. DIferenta de pret e nejustificata fata de X-uri, 1700 e chiar mai rece.

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