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Old 06-03-2018, 21:43   #261
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Am urmat instructiunile de pe site-ul Noctua: Am completat formularul lor cu datele mele, imrpeuna cu factura de cooler si factura de placa de baza AM4. In loc de factura de placa AM4 poti pune si factura de procesor AM4.

Link Noctua kit AM4.

E foarte faina prezentarea. Eu am primit, pana acum 3 kituri de upgrade AM4: de la Scythe, de la Arctic si de la Noctua. Scythe si Arctic mi-au trimis kiturile simplu, intr-o folie de plastic si puse in plic cu bule - ok. Noctua, pe langa ca a trimis kit atat pentru instalarea verticala cat si pentru instalarea orizontala, mi-a trimis cutia de mai sus intr-un plic cu bule si a venit foarte repede.

Mentionez ca coolerul Scythe nu am cum sa-l pun orizontal pe AM4, nu permite sistemul de montaj. La Arctic era vorba de Liquid Freezer 120, pe care il poti pune cum vrei, fiind sistemul Asetek rotund.
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Old 06-03-2018, 23:43   #262
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Eu am primit de la Thermalright.
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Old 16-03-2018, 01:07   #263
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Deci mi-am luat, in trecut 1700x si a fost ok. Dupa aceea mi-am luat cooler Mugen 5 ca sa ii pot face un pic de oc. Si totul era ok, pana am aflat ca Ryzen e bine sa nu treaca de 80 de grade. Ok, dup aceea am crescut turatia si se pastra cat de cat la 80 de grade, dar situatia nu era perfecta. Am adaugat mai multe venturi de carcasa, dar temperatura abea a scazut iar scaderea aceea era dependenta de temperatura ambientala.

Mi-am luat un Noctua NH-D15s, l-am instalat cu pasta MX-4 si temperatura a scazut la vreo 74 de grade. Si am redus viteza tuturor venturilor si temperatura a urcat la 76 grade in load prime95. Ceea ce a fost ok. Astazi am mai montat un ventilator pe D15s (el vine cu un singur vent) si temperatura a scazut la 74 de grade din nou.

Acum urmeaza sa spal filtrul de aer care e cam murdar si mai fac un test. Dupa care voi pune si Gelid GC Extreme.

Nu e diferenta mare intre Mugen 5 si Noctua dar diferenta respectiva ma face sa fiu sigur ca nu se mai ajunge la 80 de grade.
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Old 16-03-2018, 01:17   #264
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De ce aia 80C? Din cate stiu, Ryzen face throttle la 95C. Ai observat ceva frecventa mai stabila dupa ce l-ai adus sub 80C?
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Nu stiu de ce 80. Toti zic ca peste 80 ai instabilitate.
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Ai observat tu instabilitate, sau the interwebz ti-au dereglat piticul? Nu de alta dar am cautat acum de curiozitate si lumea zice de throttle la 95C.

Ba chiar, altii zic ca Ryzen raporteaza temperatura cu 20C mai sus decat este de adevarat. What the actual fuck.
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Ryzen nu mai raporteaza temperatura cu 20 de grade, aia era o chestie veche. Am studiat problema cand mi l-am luat, dar nu mai stiu care era sursa informatiei.
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Sunt curios cum sta treaba cu GC Extreme. Daca se repeta treaba de la Thinkpad poate-mi iau si eu o seringa.
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Ai observat tu instabilitate, sau the interwebz ti-au dereglat piticul? Nu de alta dar am cautat acum de curiozitate si lumea zice de throttle la 95C.
La mine Ryzen 5 1600 nu face throttle nici la 96 de grade. Si nici nu crapa. Din experienta mea instabilitatea nu e data de temperatura, ci mai mult de voltaje si de cat poate chip-ul in sine.

Adica al meu merge 3725Mhz cu voltaj default (cu memoriile la 3200Mhz) dar mai sus trebuie sa-i cresti voltajul indiferent ca il tii la sub 60 de grade pe apa sau il ai la 95 de grade pe aer.

Adica apa pe Ryzen 5 e pierdere de vreme. Pe Ryzen 7 poate conteaza. Dar eu oricum ii dau inainte cu proiectul de watercooling.
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Asa cald e Ryzen? WTF

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Does it really matter? Temperatura procesoarelor tine mai mult de piticul nostru, mai ales ca suntem entuziasti si vrem sa stoarcem fiecare grad din ele. But... n-am vazut pana acum procesor "fiert" pana la moarte. Mor ele din alte cauze, dar atat timp cat nu fac throttle/auto shutdown n-au nici pe dracu. Durata lor de viata e aceeasi chit ca stau la 60C, chit ca stau cu 5C sub limita de auto-shutdown.
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Mai rau: in idle sta in 70 de grade C.

Glumesc. 96 de grade a avut cand am aruncat un cooler de 2 lei AM2/AM3+ fara pic de cupru in el pe care il aveam la indemana si l-am overclock-at si i-am dat cu IBT si Prime95 in el.

Adevarul ca sub apa sta pana in 62 de grade cu ventilatoarele pana in 800rpm.

Pe aer nu am pus nici un cooler mai serios pe el.
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Does it really matter? Temperatura procesoarelor tine mai mult de piticul nostru, mai ales ca suntem entuziasti si vrem sa stoarcem fiecare grad din ele. But... n-am vazut pana acum procesor "fiert" pana la moarte. Mor ele din alte cauze, dar atat timp cat nu fac throttle/auto shutdown n-au nici pe dracu. Durata lor de viata e aceeasi chit ca stau la 60C, chit ca stau cu 5C sub limita de auto-shutdown.
Faceam doar o comparatie cu 8600k-ul din dotare, la 4.8ghz si pe aer in prime cu AVX sta la ~81c.

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Si AVX negative Offset la cat e setat? La Intel poti pune AVX-ul la 4.5 Ghz si restul la 4.8.
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La altceva nu am umblat, sunt pe auto.

Am 1.168v core setat, in schimb daca trec de 1.25v e foarte cald, atinge suta.

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Se pregateste terenul pentru procesoarele din noua generatie AMD ... (Windows 7 not supported WTF ...)
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Not supported... because of the BIOS?! You mother.. fuckers...
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Ryzen nu a suportat niciodata windows 7 haterilor. C'mon...

Dupa curatat computerul meu e 72 de grade la ambient de 24. Foarte mica diferenta, presupun ca nu era chiar asa murdar filtrul. Gelid vedem dupa ce imi repar biroul.
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Deci e aceeasi problema care poate fi bypassed cu chestiile astea?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11182...-windows-7-x64

Eu credeam ca la Ryzen 1 era treaba de drivere, iar cand am vazut la R2 ca e unsupported through BIOS am zis ca se impute treaba.
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@mbc: Ryzen 7 a fost suportat de Windows 7 de la lansare. Daca nu ar fi fost suportat, n-am fi avut in continuare driveri de chipset veniti direct de la AMD cu suport pentru 7

Insa la scurt timp dupa lansare cei de la Microsoft au fost supi si au bagat acea mizerie de update care sa detecteze ca daca ai Ryzen/Kaby si Windows 7/8.1 instalat, adio updateuri inclusiv cele de securitate.

Cat timp poti folosi DISM sa le faci o integrare usor fortata on a monthly basis, you're good.

Insa din ce arata @scutyjunior, restrictia acuma pare sa fie mai severa si sa nu lase nici macar ocazia instalarii sistemului de operare.

Ce-i drept, Windows 7 e EOL in 2020, ar fi avut sens sa mai tina in viata 8.1 pana in 2023. Dar AMD au aruncat in timp record 8.1-le la gunoi din lista de OS-uri suportate asa ca nici acea optiune nu e.

Pe scurt, daca vrei un Windows digerabil instalat pe sisteme Ryzen 2nd gen [sau 1st gen dar cu update de BIOS, pentru ca sigur va veni ceva care sa rezolve vulnerabilitatile recent descoperite] go with Linux?
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