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Old 04-01-2021, 11:34   #1221
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Pe 3950x ajung chipleturi mai bine binnuite, considera ca 3950x e "golden sample".
Cei drept, 3700le avea aprox. 1.25V allcore in load, iar 3950x are 1.09V.

@one111 Mi se pare putin ciudat sa gandesc la w/core. 3700x fara pbo are cam 68w consum strict pe partea de cpu, 3950 are 131W, aproape dublu. Si totusi, diferenta de temperatura e neglijabila. Coolerul disipa o cantitate de caldura mai mare si totusi are aceeasi temperatura.
Cat despre scor, mi se pare normal, nu cred ca am atins vreodata 5000 cu 3700x si depinde si ce ruleaza in fundal. +-100 de puncte nu prea conteaza.
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Old 04-01-2021, 14:54   #1222
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111 multam, 1.33v 4650 all cores, temp max 78 grade super treaba, in joace sta la 60-65 maxim, super
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Old 04-01-2021, 18:17   #1223
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Am returnat 5800x-ul si am luat 5900x.Exact cum banuiam,mult mai rece.CCD1 e ala bun,are in load 5C mai mult decat CCD2.Corerurile de pe CCD1 au 9-10W in R20,cele din CCD2 7-8W.
Totul pe auto nu sare de 74C in R20,scor 83xx puncte.Pe ccd2 in load am cu 4-5C mai putin.

Cu 5800x pe auto saream bine de 80C(cam 84-86C auto)
Deci totul este de binning si voltaje setate de bios-AGESA.Cele mai reci-bune ar trebui sa fie 5600x si 5950x,urmate de 5900x,iar 5800x oaia neagra.

Acum cu 5900x si rtx 3070 ma linistesc o perioada cu upgradeurile,ca nu mai am 20 de ani
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Old 04-01-2021, 18:31   #1224
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Si eu vroiam 5900x, venea pe 14 ianuarie, nu am mai putut astepta si am facut compromis
Cat merge OC la procul tau? si la ce voltaj, Thx
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Old 04-01-2021, 18:34   #1225
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Momentan il urmaresc cateva zile stoc,poate un pic pbo cu CO,dar aveam un profil salvat de la 5800x in bios 4500mhz 1.175V,cu 5800x stabil allday,la 5900x instant crash.Abia la 1200V a termintat R20-8900puncte.-76C
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Old 04-01-2021, 19:40   #1226
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N-are cum sa mearga un 12/24 in OC la aceeasi frecv, cu acelasi voltaj ca un 8/16, acelasi producator, acelasi proces de fabricatie/generatie.
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Old 04-01-2021, 19:54   #1227
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Da,mai sunt si 2 CCD de calitati diferite.Oricum,ma seaca bios_AGESA la gigibyte b550 pro.Undervolting offset nu merge,la curve optimizer am de testat cred ca 1 saptamana sa gasesc setarile pentru toate core-urile.
5900x este performant,dar parca mi-e asa o tara dor de i9 10900,la ala era foarte simplu de setat.
Ca sa nu mai zic de spike-urile astea in semi-idle,au facut zen3 si mai responsiv decat zen2,bun pentru fluiditate,dar bad pentru temperaturi spike-fanuri.

Doar cu youtube pornit spikeuri de 74C,in R20 rar atinge 75C,deci nu mai inteleg nimic.Are garantie,il dau naibii,fan curve quiet pana l 75C apoi sa urce treptat,nu le las sa vajaie aiurea pe desktop.In jocuri sta in 66C-70C,cred ca e acceptabil.


O sa mai astept ceva bios nou,poate rezolva ceva,dar fiind AMD ma indoiesc.
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Old 04-01-2021, 20:11   #1228
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O sa iasa BIOS-uri mai rafinate, la ce stocuri de rahat au fost peste tot n-au avut nici "beta-testeri" prea multi, adica clienti finali. Ca asa se intampla acum la orice, aruncam produsul si venim cu fix-uri dupa, testeaza bajetii si ne zice ei.
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Old 04-01-2021, 20:35   #1229
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am dezinstalat chipset driver,sunt curios sa vad daca e mai stabil in idle(temperaturile).L-au facut prea responsiv,puteau sa umble la algoritmul ala de boost,ce naiba,zen 3 se boosteaza si daca aprinde unu lumina in camera)
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Old 04-01-2021, 20:46   #1230
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Deaia eu recomand inca Intel pentru oamenii care nu se pricep la PCuri. Intelul in acest caz e "sfant". Mult mai plug and play decat AMDul, chit ca e mai slab ca performanta si nu ai cale de upgrade cum ai la AMD.
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Old 04-01-2021, 20:50   #1231
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Fara chipset driver 5900x boosteaza doar la 4800,nu mai vede 4950.In schimb sta stabil la temps cu multiple taburi deschise,un joc in tray etc.
Deci "asadar si prin urmare",asta e,nu ai ce sa-i faci.

Droopy,asa e,dar 5900x fata de 10900k este 2 clase peste la perfromanta,consum.Pacat ca-l strica softul,hardware-ul e belea.

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Old 04-01-2021, 21:23   #1232
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Dap. Dar pe de alta parte e mai mult de bibilit la AMD si asta imi place De abia astept AGESA care ne va permite sa facem undervolt din Ryzen Master.
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Old 04-01-2021, 21:51   #1233
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Atata bataie de cap pentru nimic. Eu am aplicat acelasi principiu ca la Intel: voltaj fix si frecventa maxima posibila pentru o temperatura "confortabila" dpdv al zgomotului.
Sporul de performanta adus pentru 1-200Mhz la Ryzen, peste un anumit prag e similar cu Cernavoda.
3900 din curte de exemplu merge la pas la 4.15 si 1.1V, cu temperaturi lejere de 64C la encodare de 20min (6xx rpm orice vent din carcasa), fata de min 10C in plus ca sa il tin la 4.3Ghz si turatii crescute, plus spor de performanta minuscul la encodare.
Chiar nu inteleg goana asta dupa 5ghz daily, de parca ai obtine un avantaj din acest lucru - 0 performanta in gaming 4k samd. Inteleg sa vrei un minim, care default pentru procesor e prea jos setat (3.x Ghz), dar sa iei racire de 1000ron sau similar sa racesti un proc de 2000lei mi se pare prea de tot, pentru un pitic de 200Mhz suplimentar.
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Old 04-01-2021, 22:01   #1234
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Ai dreptate,cred ca o sa caut niste frecvente fixe,4500-4700mhz sa vad ce voltaje cere.M-am plictisit de pbo-ul vietii.
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Old 05-01-2021, 00:00   #1235
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Avantajul Ryzen 5xxx e tocmai boost-ul ala fain in single-core/cateva core-uri + IPC. Asta per total se simte mai bine decat un all-core fix. Desigur, depinde de situatii, ca daca faci 90% doar randari si-l tii in 100% utilizare, nu ai mari gain-uri de la single-core boost.
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Dap. Dar pe de alta parte e mai mult de bibilit la AMD si asta imi place De abia astept AGESA care ne va permite sa facem undervolt din Ryzen Master.
Eu nu suport Ryzen Master, mai ales la OC, consuma resurse aiurea, imi arata la inceput temperaturi si voltaje gresit. BIOS overclocking or go home. Nu-mi place sa am PC-ul cu n'spee mii de softuri de monitorizare si overclock.
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Nici mie, nu il tin instalat. Dar economisesti mult timp daca ai putea sa te joci cu setarile de undervolt din Windows. Fara sa trebuiasca sa dai restart pentru fiecare mV pe care il scazi.
Cum era Clock Set Utility pe placile Intel acum mai bine de 10 ani.
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Old 05-01-2021, 14:44   #1238
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Incepe sa-mi placa 5900x asta,sper sa ramana stabil asa:

pbo on

CO negative allcore -15;-10 pe cele 2 preffered

voltaj auto ,negative offset -0,042(asta este sa reduca maxim voltaj care e in mod normal spre 1.5V,de aici probleme pentru fiecare sa fie stabil cand boosteaza 4950mhz low load).Reduce temperatura in conditii low load,spike idle.

Fanurile 350-750rpm pana la 75C(nu sare de 71-73C).

Scoruri in R15 -37xx
R20-84xx

Nu ma intereseaza scoruri mai mari,sa fie stabil in urmatoarele zile si me happy.
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Am returnat 5900x dupa ce a inceput sa dea whea error si stoc,totul pe auto,pbo disabled ,ram default.
Cel nou merge vad de cateva ore ok,pe auto,XMP 3200.Aceeasi placa de baza,acelasi bios,totul identic.Inclin sa cred ca cei de aici au dreptate:

https://www.overclock.net/threads/re...boots.1774627/

La 5900x nou merg CCD1 si CCD2 la fel,nu mai exista diferanta ca la primul,CCD1 avea 10W per core si CCD2 8W.
Cel nou ambele CCD au 9W per core,spikeuri tot sunt pe net,dar sub 70,maxim 69C.
Asta este saptamana 46,ala era mai timpuriu,sub 40 saptamana.

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@one111 da click la User CP -> Edit Options, dai scroll in jos si completeaza system specs.

Nu am de unde sa visez ce pc ai sau ce racire folosesti. Din ce am vazut, ai temperaturi peste media raportata. Ma bucur ca ai rezolvat.
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