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Old 03-12-2020, 14:48   #5521
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Eu nu înțeleg care e faza cu Geekbench... de ce se agită lumea cu el?
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Old 03-12-2020, 16:23   #5522
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Nu se agită nimeni. Procesorul a fost leak-uit în Geekbench. Tot acolo au mai fost descoperite și alte procesoare înainte de lansare. Unii au timp și se uită în baze de date de benchmarkuri să vadă dacă apare ceva nou.
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Old 03-12-2020, 21:21   #5523
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Ii procesor desktop sau pt laptopuri?
LE : Acum am vazut ca e pt desktop si va fi tot pe LGA 1200, ce face concurenta.

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Old 04-12-2020, 00:30   #5524
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Concurenta nu face nimic.
Este tipic intel, este a doua generatie pe acelasi socket.

Urmatoarea schimba socketul la lga1700
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Old 04-12-2020, 12:33   #5525
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Intel i9 11900K.

8 nuclee, 16 fire de execuție. Au scăzut de la 10 la 8 nuclee ca să țină pasul în aplicațiile single thread. Tot pe 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++ (nu știu dacă am pus numărul corect de "+"-uri)
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Old 04-12-2020, 12:43   #5526
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Acum la Intel 14nm mai mult e + - + - + - de la o generatie la alta. Un pas inainte, doi inapoi.

Ah, ce buna e competitia. Sa iei la misto o companie, care acum cativa ani era zeu in industrie.

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Old 04-12-2020, 13:10   #5528
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Păi arhitecturile sunt bune, faptul că Rocket Lake S backportat pe 14nm ține piept în aplicațiile single thread lui Zen 3, ma face să cred că dacă Intel ar avea acces la ceva comparabil cu 7nm ar fi "jale mare și prăpăd".

Dacă AMD nu ar fi avut probleme financiare încât să vândă Global Foundries, erau mai în budă decât Intel.

Cred că ar face bine să spargă afacerea în două: faburile să fie separate de restul. La un moment dat erau lideri dar TSMC le-a rupt fâșul. Și Samsung le-a rupt fâșul.
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Diferenta dintre 7-14nm nu se traduce in real-life. Nu e ca si cand Intel a ramas in urma si pur si simplu nu are acces la proces mai bun de fabricatie, "că dac-ar face-o....". 7nm TSMC si 14nm+++ sunt similare ca marime fizica reala. Ca fiecare masoara nanometrul cum isi masoara barbatii penisul e oarecum irelevant.



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In the main picture, above, you can see the first direct comparison you can see the transistor sizes of the two chips are very similar when the SEM zooms in to the same magnification. Gate height is very similar but with the guidelines superimposed in the comparison below you can see that TSMC has indeed produced a processor with tighter spacing between the transistors
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Old 04-12-2020, 16:28   #5530
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Sa intelegem, daca diferentele intre procesele de fabricatie 7nm TSMC si Intel 14nm+++ sunt destul de mici, pai inseamna ca performanta lui Zen 3 nu vine atat de mult din procesul de fabricatie, ci dintr-o arhitectura si mai buna decat Intel Comet lake etc.
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Old 04-12-2020, 17:53   #5531
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Densitatea de tranzistori pe mm pătrat este mult mai bună la 7nm de la TSMC decât la cei 14nm ai lui Intel. Vorbim de 115,8 milioane de tranzistori/mm^2 față de 43,5 milioane de tranzistori/mm^2.
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Old 04-12-2020, 18:56   #5532
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Having looked at the above comparison, and highlighted it in his video, der8auer challenges the obvious conclusion that Intel 14nm+++ and TSMC 7nm are very similar in physical scale, reminding viewers that the above pictures don't fully represent the 3D structure that is so important to modern chip optimisation. Moreover, the relationship between node size, half-pitch, and gate length has significantly loosened since the early 1990s. The XXnm figure reflects process history more than progress, asserts the OC expert, and thus it isn't very useful as a metric to compare between chip makers.

Another metric, probably worth closer consideration is transistor density, as revealed by the chip fabricators. Intel 10 nm and TSMC 7nm processes both produce dies with approx 90 million transistors per sq millimetre. Moving forward both Intel and TSMC are targeting approx 150MT/mm² for their upcoming 7nm and 5nm processes, respectively. Again though, other factors make differences, like transistor type and chip architecture, that make direct comparisons difficult. In conclusion, chip process advances sometimes make interesting news segments but user experiences assessed earliest in third party reviews are most essential as I am sure HEXUS readers know.
Asta ii mai trebuia lui Intel, sa inghesuie si mai multi tranzistori de-astia sa ajungem la 500W consum si probabil la dezvoltarea primului cooler care poate fi pus direct pe soare sa-l raceasca. Hence, Intel solves global warming.
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Diferenta dintre 7-14nm nu se traduce in real-life. Nu e ca si cand Intel a ramas in urma si pur si simplu nu are acces la proces mai bun de fabricatie, "că dac-ar face-o....". 7nm TSMC si 14nm+++ sunt similare ca marime fizica reala. Ca fiecare masoara nanometrul cum isi masoara barbatii penisul e oarecum irelevant.

Poza reflecta similitudini pana cand afli ca scalingul este diferit . Una are zoom 13000x cealalalta 15000x . Deci .... practic tranzistorii sunt la fel )) ca forma , gate-ul se vede cu ochiul liber ca e mai mic la 7nm , si pe langa asta , oricat ar vrea sa o dea tot are mai multi tranzistori per cm2 . Deci ... urat sa fii zeu pe industrie si monopol si sa stai sa nu faci nimic 10 ani .

Ce mi se pare cel mai uimitor este ca AMD merge pe 4 fronturi strong (CPU in coarne cu INTEL si mai nou Apple, GPU cu NVIDIA, PS5 si XSX ) odata si pe toate e la cel mai inalt nivel (kudos lor) . Nu mai sunt varianta low cost de compromis .
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:48   #5534
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Eu zic ca e mult mai simplu. Avem procesoare AMD de 15w si 8 core dar nu avem procesoare intel de 15w si 8 core.
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Old 14-12-2020, 13:30   #5536
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Astia au uitat rahatul pe care l-au facut cu Prescott se pare.
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Well....nu cred ca au de ales daca vor sa mai reziste cat de cat pe piata. Alder Lake-S pare sa fie chestia pe care mizeaza ei....daca ala nu iese....atunci e grav.
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Poate se inspira de la nvidie si amede, fac un lot pe proces de 7nm la terti si tin in priza audienta
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