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Old 25-12-2022, 13:15   #1
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Default Recomandare DDR4 G Skill 32GB dual channel 4000Mhz

Am observat ca acum memoriile DDR4 sunt chiar accesibile la pret ...

Daca vreau sa-mi schimb cei 32GB DDR4 (4X 8) 3000Mhz cl 15 , pe un kit dual channel 4000Mhz tot de 32GB, evident tot G.Skill ...este ceva si mai convenabil decat aceste memorii la 4000Mhz cl 18?
https://www.vexio.ro/memorii-ram/g-s...trident-z-neo/

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Old 25-12-2022, 14:09   #2
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Hmmm...ms mult ...chiar nu mai imi bateam capu ...credeam ca merg ...ms de atentionare

In biosul placii, la frecventa RAM ului am optiuni de frecventa DDR4 pana la 8400Mhz


E drept ca la asus la placa apare trecut suport doar pana la 3600Mhz

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Old 25-12-2022, 15:03   #3
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Am vazut postarea ...
Niciodata nu mi-a trecut prin cap sa vad daca sunt drepte ...
Am avut placi video care se indoiau din cauza greutatii dar mergeau fara probleme
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Old 25-12-2022, 15:07   #4
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Atunci ar ramane optiunea asta:
https://www.vexio.ro/memorii-ram/g-s...b-3600-mhz-16/

Pe situl oficial G Skill , spun asta :
https://www.gskill.com/faq

"G.SKILL's Qualified Motherboard List is the result of our compatibility tests. This list is not comprehensive because new motherboards are constantly released.
Each motherboard manufacturer's QVL is limited to the G.SKILL memory kit they own and are able to test. This QVL list also will not be comprehensive, because G.SKILL is constantly releasing memory kits.

If your motherboard and G.SKILL memory kit is not listed, please contact our tech support to confirm compatibility. ([email protected] or [email protected])"

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Old 26-12-2022, 04:26   #5
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eu consider ca 4000 gear 2 este o idee tare proasta fata de 3600 sau 3800 gear 1.

ma refer sa ai si latente bune 14-14-14-34, etc
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Old 26-12-2022, 11:45   #6
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O sa ajung sa-mi para rau ca n-am luat de la inceput ceva placa de baza cu DDR5?

Hai sa lamuresc un pic ce m-a facut sa aleg placa cu suport DDR4:


Am ales DDR4 sincer din 2 motive:
a) aveam pe un sistem mai vechi astea 32GB la 3000Mhz cl15 . si initial am spus ca ies mai ieftin daca impart memoriile intre cele 2 sisteme, 2X8 pe fiecare
b) pt ca nicidecum n-as da acum 9000 de ron pe o placa de baza (nici n-am stiut ca au urcat atat de mult preturile la placile "rosii" ( seria ROG de la asus )):
https://www.emag.ro/placa-de-baza-as...0aAiWCEALw_wcB

am zis sa ma uit la ceva mai ieftin, mai ales ca nu-mi mai trebuie oc ...


Asa ca am ales intre cea mai scumpa placa asus cu DDR4 si una cam de acelasi pret pe DDR5:

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...aming-wifi-d4/
si
https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baz...f-gaming-wifi/

Pt ca intre ele la comparatie pe pcg nu exista nici o diferenta . cu exceptia tipului de memorie si fiindca cea pe DDR4 era si mai ieftina ( cu 7 mil.) , alaegerea clar a fost pt cea cu DDR4.

In plus, oricum aveam in cap ca NU-mi iau plaac de baza mai scumpa ca procul si inca ce cred eu ....ca un DDR4 la 3000Mhz cl 15 e tot cam pe-acolo ca performanta ca un DDR5 la 6000Mhz cu cl 30...

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Deci . sa fiu sincer sistemul de acum are doar 16GB RAM , deci un castig clar ar fi dublarea RAM ului
Si evident intre un DDR dual channel la 4000Mhz dar cu unele pbme si intre un DDR la vreo 3200 cu cl 14 dar fara nici o problema, optez CLAR pt a doua varianta

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Old 26-12-2022, 12:44   #7
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Am 2 kituri de 2x8, care fiecare merg la 4000 cl 16 1T cu 1.37V, insa am ales din vreo 6 kituri pana le-am gasit, altele nici la 3800 nu mai porneau cu cl16.

Nu cred ca sunt diferente in gaming asa mari incat sa le "alergi" la cl14 vs 16 @ 3600, iar la encodari nu am vazut nici o diferenta.
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Old 27-12-2022, 04:30   #8
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O sa ajung sa-mi para rau ca n-am luat de la inceput ceva placa de baza cu DDR5?
simplu si la obiect, DA!

in jocuri diferenta este intre ddr4 si ddr5, cel putin in ce joc eu (Destiny), se simte mai ales cand am multe explozii si mizerii pe ecran.

nostalgic pe ddr4 am fost si eu pt ca detineam un kit ce ducea 4000 15 15 15 35, dar l-am vandut cu 1200lei apoi am cumparat ddr5 cu 1100lei 6400 cl32.
am avut z690-a D4 si a fost cea mai mare tampenie pe care am facut-o pt ca ddr4 costa mai mult decat ddr5, este 1150 de lei 6400 c32 32gb la 2 magazine din RO. mi se pare nobrainer sa iei ddr5 in ziua de azi daca ai seria 12 sau 13 (ca si sistem nou)
cu ce ai facut upgrade la cpu pierzi o parte pt ca ai ramas pe ddr4 din motive financiare cu toate ca placile de baza z790, idiot de scumpe, comparand cu z690 cel putin, de seriile mai vechi nici nu mai vorbesc ca luam z590 AORUS MASTER la 1500 lei de la emag acum scurt timp.

din punctul meu de vedere te-ai aruncat foarte mult cu banii cu placile alea, mai ales ca este z790 si te-ai croncanit sa stai la ddr4

cu banii de i-ai dat luai un z690 mai ieftin si ddr5, DAR, nu sunt banii mei )
(am facut sisteme cu gigabyte z690 aorus pro si elite care au bootat din prima pe XMP 6000) daca nu ai vreun pitic ce te gadila noaptea eu nu vad rostul placilor de baza z790
eu am cumparat asus strix si nu gigabyte sau alte firme din motive personale.

ps: z790-f aveam eu de vanzare )

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Old 27-12-2022, 13:47   #9
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Acum asta este...
De dat inapoi nu mai dau ...mai ales ca firma de la cine am luat placa ...a facut pe ala-n patru sa mi-o aduca din afara, acum inainte de sarbatori, cand la noi in tara nu mai era la furnizori ...
Si si la un pret bunicel (1999 ron) , in conditiile in care altii o dau cu aproape 600 in plus:
https://www.emag.ro/placa-de-baza-as...ch-Action=view

In plus, au spus ca o sa am ajute si cu un kit bunicel ...dar nu acum, luna viitoare ...(mi-au spus ca cei de la GSKill nu lucreaza intre sarbatori)

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Am cautat in primul rand financiar sa nu sar prea tare calul,...ce am luat au fost asa:
-carcasa noua, 626 cu transport cu tot, de pe evomag, fata de 652 cat e pe e mag
-sursa sh dar cu garantie inca 11 ani (fct) 926 cu tr.cu tot, fata de 1731 cat e pe e mag
-proc nou, 2200 fata de 2626 pe e mag
-placa de baza, noua, 1999 fata de 2589 cat e pe e mag
-M2, sh sigilat , 1026 ron cu transp cu tot, fata de 1485 pe e mag
-cooler cpu , nou, 620 fata de 845 pe e mag

adica, toate de mai sus, vreo 7500, cu aprox 2500 ron mai putin decat le-as fi luat noi, toate de pe e mag!
Din pacate am auzit ca toate (placile de baza asus sigur)se vor mai scumpi acum din ian cu vreo min 5-7%

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in jocuri diferenta este intre ddr4 si ddr5,
Acum m-am uitat si eu , ai dreptate


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ce e funny, daca e strix D-4 nu cred ca are validate (oficial) frecvente peste 3600MHz :P
https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/ro...sk_qvl_memory/
de regula trebuie de consultat neaparat QVL pe pagina de suport a placii de baza sa fie validate
Acum m-am uitat daca astea care imi merg fara nici o problema, apar in lista placii de baza la memorii compatibile GSkill. Nu apar . Si merg fara probleme

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Old 28-12-2022, 15:42   #10
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A dat un overclocker recent rezultate cu o panarama de placa pe ddr4, Msi z690 A Wi-fi si 13900k, a rupt cam peste tot unde a dat, trecand peste multe Apex, Dark si tachyoane.
8 ghz in unele teste, limitarea fiind de la voltajele de pe placa de baza.
Concluzie, suntem impinsi sa luam crema, chestiile scumpe, z790, ultra mega ddr5 etc. Marketing.
Ramai pe cele 4 stick-uri, din ce am inteles oricum nativ e quad channel, vezi cpu-z in tab memorii.
Atasat screenshot de la Kvarq, are quad channel pe Apex, poate si tri channel dar ii scade performanta.
https://postlmg.cc/DJ0Srz77

Gear 2 e foarte bine optimizat, teoretic ar trebui sa poti impinge la maxim ramii ce ii ai deja.

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asta pentru ca esti la 3000MHz )
Asa m-am gandit si eu... Pana la 3200 cat merg nativ memoriile fara oc ar merge cu aproape orice...

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Ramai pe cele 4 stick-uri, din ce am inteles oricum nativ e quad channel, vezi cpu-z in tab memorii.
Pai cu toate 4 oricum nu pot ramane ca vreau sa ramana ambele sisteme functionale si deocamdata sunt impartite intre ele 16 cu 16
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Am revenit:
Pana la urma m-am dus pe G.Skill 32GB dual channel la 4000Mhz Cl16-16-16 36 1,4V; ( fabricate luna trecuta vad)
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/1...00C16D-32GTZRA

Intrebare : Mai trebuie sa setez si alceva inafara doar de XMP2?

Am deschis cpu-z sa vad frecventa la care sunt ...merg pe 4000 cu 16... si--am dat si-un bench de la cpu-z...
Mi-a dat rezultat mai slab decat 2X 8GB DDR3000 Cl 15-15-15...la 1.35V
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Hai ca le dau 1.45V sa vad rapid ce da in cpu-z
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doar cu cresterea voltajului nu s-a schimbat nimic

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atentie si la Maximus Tweak Modes (1 sau 2)
pe mode 1 unele setari si latente secundare si tertiare sunt estimate de Asus "auto", la Mode 2 se incarca "full" din SPD...
Reintru in BIOS sa vad ce si unde e
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Maximus Tweak Modes sunt xmp1 si xmp2?
Pe 2 sunt puse ...
Daca in benchu de la cpu-z sau super pi n-am vazut diferente ... In schimb am intrat in BF2042 si acolo chiar se simte bine diferenta ... Zici ca a intinerit batranica 1080ti
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Modurile astea unde sunt in bios? Nu le-am gasit...
BF2042 sigur e unul din jocuri la acre ii place frecv mare ... Si daac se simte de la 3000 la 4000 ...ce sa mai spun la 6000+ la DDR5 uri

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cele cu latente 16-16-16-36 ar trebui sa aiba chips Samsung
OareSamsung or fi atunci si astea ?
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Cred ca placa mea nu e atata de desteapta ...Nu e la fel in bios
Dar daca nu am nici o pbma in a merge doar setand XMP 2 si le recunoaste la 4000MHz cu Cl16-16-16...1T , pt mine e f ok

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http://www.softnology.biz/files.html
rulat ca admin, EEPROM - read SPD
Da , sunt Samsung, B-die
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I-am dat si cele 40 de teste din MEMTEST , nu mi-a dat nici o eroare!
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da, anumite jocuri scaleaza foarte bine cu frecventa ramilor
Cum ar fi?

Legat de diferențe de performanță, in aplicații reale (nu teste de memorie), am căutat mult inainte să fac upgrade, să văd niște comparații intre DDR 4 și DDR 5 cu același procesor, să văd dacă merită să iau MB cu DDR 5 sau să folosesc memoriile vechi.

Un articol interesant a fost publicat luna asta.

Diferența de performanță intre DDR 4 3600/18 și DDR 5 6000 /36 este de aprox. 3%.

Nu știu cum se poate observa diferența asta in viața reală.
Adică in jocuri avem in FHD
154 fps vs. 156
335 fps vs. 349
292 fps vs. 301

Adică maxim 4%.

Cum iți dau seama că jocul merge mai smooth la 301 fps față de 292, sau la 156 fps față de 154?
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La DDR4 se simtea clar in anumite jocuri diferenta de la 3200 la 4000 Mhz.
Confirm... Cel putin in BF2042 e clara treaba , testata!

Uita si nenea ce zice:

Trei jocuri, trei frecvente (2933, 3200 si 4000Mhz) ...diferente mari ...pt aceeasi placa video;

De la 112fps uri la 2933Mhz la 139fps-uri la 4000Mhz e ceva diferenta
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