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Old 06-06-2013, 17:41   #41
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Super Mega merge pe Haswell ?
Cand ar trebui sa vedem in magazine seria ROG?
Am montat eu aseara supermega pe haswell, totul ok..
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Old 06-06-2013, 19:46   #42
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retail 4670k / Malay -Batch#: L310B514
boot 5 ghz /1.44v -air
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Old 06-06-2013, 22:22   #43
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retail 4670k / Malay -Batch#: L310B514
boot 5 ghz /1.44v -air
ce cooler ai folosit ?
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retail 4670k / Malay -Batch#: L310B514
boot 5 ghz /1.44v -air
Deci pe aer e un mic dezastru fata de Ivy.
Nu stiu daca vreau sa dau 4000 de lei pe o platforma pe care sa dau bench-uri solicitante(2D) la maximum 4800 MHz. Asa cum n-am putut trece cu Ivy de Sandy, la fel nu voi putea trece cu Haswell de Ivy.
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:28   #45
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ce cooler ai folosit ?
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Deci pe aer e un mic dezastru fata de Ivy.
Nu stiu daca vreau sa dau 4000 de lei pe o platforma pe care sa dau bench-uri solicitante(2D) la maximum 4800 MHz. Asa cum n-am putut trece cu Ivy de Sandy, la fel nu voi putea trece cu Haswell de Ivy.
Sunt bulversat total...
depinde cum privesti problema, retailurile nu sunt cine stie ce , cel putin batchurile astea Malay, fata de ES-uri care 85% din ele merg mult mai bine ..intel a trimis la reviewri cpu-uri mult mai bune fata de retail...diferente enorme ca sa nu mai zic ca am un 4670k care booteaza cu aproape 1.7, alt lucru pe care sa-l reti -peste 1.35v nu mai poti tine in frau temperatura pe air la preavestitul haswell
nici pe LN2 nu e prea placut cu el ..prezinta CB si CBB ..nu poti maximiza frecventa datorita ca nu-l poti raci la maxim( exemplare au cb si la -80 pana pe la -140) ...ci doar ridicand voltaju peste 2.2v...lucru ce duce imediat la deces( eu am belit deja unu) ...sunt foarte sensibile.
da ,are un controler de memorie certificat acum de intel la 2933, dar pentru bench tot frecv de ivy folosesti pentru memorie , cine vrea validari ...atunci e bun, in rest../ intreadevar mult mai eficient fata de ivy in 32m ...
asteapta revizia noua de Haswell ...intr-o juma´de an ,mb cu z87 rev c2 o sa fie lansat pana atunci, presupun ca revizia noua de haswell va aduce inbunatatiri la oc ceva in genu i7-920 C0 to D0

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Multumesc frumos, e clar. Eu nu am nevoie de sporul de performanta pe care-l aduce Haswell fata de Ivy, iar pentru bench, cred ca asta e cea mai buna solutie: sa astept frigul si o revizie noua care sa fie ceva mai permisiva la OC.
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Ok copii, ca sa facem o treaba organizata, haideti sa punem la punct o metoda de clasificare. Cine are sau isi ia Haswell, va rog sa postati aici sub forma asta:

-Model (4770K, 4670K, etc)
-Batch
-Prima Blend 15 min la 4600MHz cu ce voltaj
-Boot in Win la 5GHz cu ce voltaj
-Pi 1M maxim pe aer cu ce voltaj
-model placa de baza
-BIOS placa de baza


Cateva indicatii:

-in afara de vcore mai setati PCH cu 0.01 mai sus decat default (1.096v, etc)
-RAM DDR3 2133 9-11-9-28 (2T cand testati procul)
-1.64v in RAM
-Win 7x 64
-cooler bun de aer (Noctua, TR, Phanteks, Megahalems, etc)


Poate in felul asta reusim sa ne dam seama de procentul de exemplare bune si rele, batch-uri bune s.a.m.d.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:58   #48
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un ghid interesant: http://www.overclockers.com/3step-gu...-intel-haswell

"If your chip will boot at 4.6 GHz and 1.25 V, that’s very good. It means you have at least an average chip. If it will boot at 4.6 GHz and is stable there, then you may have an above average chip. The best chips will be able to do 4.8 GHz stable at 1.25 V. Our sample did 4.8 GHz, but at 1.3 V and on a custom water loop. Using 1.3 V will likely put a chip out of the air cooling / AIO water cooling thermal envelope. Temperatures in all of these scenarios, from the dog 4.3 GHz chips up to the good 4.8 GHz chips, will always be in the ~90°C range. That’s just the nature of Haswell. With the VRM on-die, think of Haswell as Ivy Bridge plus 10° C."

"Regrettably, according to overclocking legend Andre Yang, there is no way to bin Haswell for extreme overclocking purposes on ambient cooling. You couldn’t do it with Ivy Bridge either. That ship sailed when Sandy Bridge, well, went under the bridge and continued down the river. If you’re binning for extreme purposes (of which the esteemed Mr. Yang has binned over 500 chips as of late April), you simply have to take them cold. However, for most people’s uses, the method above to bin on air is tried and true through the hundred plus they have binned at ASUS headquarters."
"Lastly, what are you shooting for? After ~500 chips, Andre’s best chip was around 7.3 GHz. It’s OK if you get a less-than-perfect chip though, because a 6.5-6.7 GHz Haswell chip is roughly equivalent to a 6.9-7.1 GHz Ivy Bridge chip."
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Aia sunt niste idioti care nu au nici o idee despre ce vorbesc. 4670-ul retail face Prime la 4600 cu 1.26v. Momentan nu am putut sa il bag in win la 5g si sa si mearga macar 1 minut...
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Acum imi aduc aminte de zvonurile de dinainte sa apara, cu Haswell la peste 8 Ghz ) ....Si Monstru zicea ca testase un early sample la peste 6 Ghz, iar acum retail-ul nu e cu nimic mai presus, atata doar ca e putin mai eficient.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:29   #51
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-Model: 4670K
-Batch: L307B088
-Prima Blend 15 min la 4600MHz cu ce voltaj: 4500Mhz - 1.490 / 4600Mhz - 1.490 bluescreen.
-Boot in Win la 5GHz cu ce voltaj: 5Ghz - 1.55-1.65V nu booteaza, 4900Mhz - 1.650V se opreste la windows logo, cand booteaza.
-Pi 1M maxim pe aer cu ce voltaj: 4700Mhz - 1.60V
-model placa de baza: Z87X-UD5H
-BIOS placa de baza: F6e


Ramul a fost pe auto (1866MHz) in screen, dar, am testat si la 2133Mhz conform indicatiilor si nu a fost nevoie sa cresc voltajul pentru prime blend.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:33   #52
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4670-ul retail face Prime la 4600 cu 1.26v. Momentan nu am putut sa il bag in win la 5g si sa si mearga macar 1 minut...
yep , retailu are probleme mari de stabilitate in juru a 5ghz... scalarea pare a fi liniara pana pe la 4800...apoi odata cu voltajul peste 1.3 nu-l mai poti tine in frau , am prins azi un 4670k batch L312B520..full stabil 4600 1.18v , 4800/1.265v-TR VX Black/tim MX4 5 ghz/ 1.37v
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Asa baieti....haideti sa le notam aici si sa strangem info. Mai intai vedem ce si cum pe aer... apoi cateva exemplare intra si sub azot si vedem ce si cum...
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e cel mai bun cpu din cele 7 bucati retail ce am avut pana acum uncore merge 4900 ( bun aici e si meritul placii de baza )fara probleme totul pe air, bclk 199 ( cu primu exemplar de 4670k)no problem



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E bun chipul dar pi32 nu e prime ...Pentru statistica ma intereseaza prime cu toate nucleele activate...
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si maxim cat merge ?
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Pentru statistica ma intereseaza prime cu toate nucleele activate...
daca te ajuta cu ceva, am dat si eu un prime blend, ambient 26* , 1,18v voltaj real pe MM , small FFT merge mai low volt
pentru mine interesant este cu cat face 5ghz, pentru ca mi-a trecut cateva proace prin maini ..scalarea cu voltaju nu este liniara de la 4,6 la 4,8 la 5 ghz de ex , problema majora este cu cat face 5 ghz sau macar boot..
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Ideea este destul de simpla:

-pentru azot iti trebuie proc care sa faca 5g cu voltaj mic si sa scaleze cu temperatura

-pentru aer este important cat de sus il poti tine stabil si cat de sus poti da un pi 1m

Facand ce am zis eu mai sus, vad si oamenii ce batch-uri sunt bune pe aer si vedem si noi care au potential de azot

Overclockerii buni reusesc sa obtina rezultate... Overclockerii mari ii ajuta si pe altii...
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Pentru aer din ce vad eu daca iti face 5 ghz pentru bench te poti considera norocos.Candidatul ideal pentru azot ar fi un procesor cu leakage foarte mare(volti putini) si cu cold-bug cat mai jos posibil....Dumnezeu cu mila,es tau este magistral
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cam atata poate dirizina mea=))..alt cpu mai bun nu am , sa vedem ce oratanii mai ajung Luni-Marti...

@Tudor -cpu-ul ala al tau trebuie valorificat neaparat pe LN2 , e ceva rarisim din cate se vede...plus de asta ES-urile sunt mult mai rezistente in fata voltajului fata de retail..
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