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Old 04-06-2020, 16:29   #941
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@augustus ai scapat de buba cu LAN-ul ?
Nu vreau sa cobesc, dar din momentul in care am instalat o placa video nvidia si am reinstalat windows-ul, totul a mers bine.
E clar ca era ceva in neregula cu driverii.
Intre timp a aparut si pe site-ul MSI ultima versiune a driverului realtek pentru chipsetul ethernet, dar ma indoiesc ca doar de aici era problema pentru ca am incercat si driverul asta pe configuratia veche de pe site-ul realtek. Am incercat si driveri de la placi gigabyte cu acelasi chipset...

Sper sa fie ok.
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Old 04-06-2020, 16:31   #942
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Am băgat invers, cel de pe amd și a mers flawless
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Old 05-06-2020, 11:47   #943
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Salut,

Am un Ryzen 5 3600 pe o pb GB B450M DS3H (versiunea F50 BIOS - ultima disponibilă).
Pe setările default in BIOS nu inițializează Windows 10 decât daca setez maxim 6 thread-uri in msconfig -> Boot Advanced Options -> Number of Processors (trebuie să fac asta pe un alt sistem).
Voltajul afișat in CPU-Z / HWMonitor este intre 1.069 - 1.475V (pare foarte mult??)

Daca debifez opțiunea (adica ar fi 12 thread-uri active) se resetează inainte sa initializeze Windows. Daca incerc sa reinstalez Windows de pe un stick se restarteaza.
In BIOS, daca este setările default, de cele mai multe ori se reseteaza sistemul dupa 2 pana la ~ 30 secunde.
Am reusit sa dezactivez Global C-state Control in BIOS si am salvat. Cu optiunea asta dezactivata nu se mai resetează in BIOS, nici macar dupa 5 minute (am timp sa fac orice alte setari si sa le salvez).
Insa nu am rezolvat problema cu activarea tuturor thread-urilor in Windows. Pentru asta, a trebuit sa reduc multiplicatorul la 35 (3.5GHz) - Windows booteaza, am testat destul de intens procesorul, voltajul a scazut la 1.06 - 1.08V, inclusiv in BIOS acelasi voltaj scazut.
Apoi am instalat Ryzen Master si am testat mai multe frecvente si setari de voltaj (mult mai comod decat din BIOS unde nu pot seta decat offset pt voltaj). Astea sunt setarile care au iesit stabile (dupa multe ore de testat in Prime95, 3DMark si jocuri) 3.6GHz/1.06V; 3.7GHz/1.13V; 3.8GHz/1.18V; 3.9GHz/1.23V.
Temperaturile max mi se par ok : 59C @ 3.6GHz pana la 72C @ 3.9GHz in Prime95.
Coolerul este cel stock, pasta AC MX-4. Memoria este Exceleram Red Kudos 16GB DDR4 3000MHz dual channel - nu este pe lista Gigabyte ca fiind testata, am rulat memtest fara erori si nici o aplicatie in Win10 nu are probleme. Am testat si cu inca o sursa -> aceleasi probleme
Am testat si o alta placa de baza (acelasi model, acelasi BIOS version) si am exact aceleasi probleme si rezultate.

Credeti ca e ceva in neregula cu procesorul?

Avand in vedere ca pe setatile actuale este stabil, nu as mai incerca si alt procesor.
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Old 05-06-2020, 11:53   #944
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Eu zic sa resetezi biosul la factory default / optimized defaults in primul rand, dupa care sa reinstalezi windowsul sa vezi daca e stabil. Dupa asta modifici setarile procesorului daca tu vrei. Daca cu bios-ul default nu porneste, placa sau procesor defect.
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Old 05-06-2020, 12:12   #945
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Nu ai cum sa pui in misconfiguration 12 ca 6 coreuri sunt de fapy reale
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Old 05-06-2020, 16:34   #946
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Eu zic sa resetezi biosul la factory default / optimized defaults in primul rand, dupa care sa reinstalezi windowsul sa vezi daca e stabil. Dupa asta modifici setarile procesorului daca tu vrei. Daca cu bios-ul default nu porneste, placa sau procesor defect.
Placa de baza am schimbat-o cu inca una acelasi model si are aceleasi simptome - imi pare rau ca nu am incercat totusi sa iau alt model/producator.

Ideea e ca daca dezactivez Global C-States in BIOS si modific multiplicatorul (sa nu fie 36 (atat e default), totul e OK. Voltajul pus pe auto in BIOS, se traduce in 1.06-1.07V in CPU-Z (la multiplicator 35 ->3.5GHz). In plus, am rulat 3DMark si jocuri la 4.2GHz all cores/ 1.35V-setat in ryzen master, insa ajunge la 75 grade - nu am avut vreun crash sau restart in 2 ore de jucat. Dar nu as testa in Prime95, probabil temperatura ar fi peste 85 de grade - poate dupa ce iau un cooler mai bun.... In consecinta, procesorul pare OK.
Nici nu am mai intalnit pana acum procesor nou DOA.

Altfel, daca las Global C-States pe auto si multiplicator 36 (=setarile default), nu booteaza in Windows cu toate core-urile active (maxim booteaza cu 3C/6T), si daca bootez cu 3C/6T am voltaj foarte mare - peste 1.4V in CPU-Z in load. In plus, cu Global C-States pe auto se restarteaza in BIOS dupa cateva secunde, uneori chiar o secunda.

Eram curios daca a mai intalnit cineva ceva asemanator..

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Old 05-06-2020, 16:39   #947
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Nu ai cum sa pui in misconfiguration 12 ca 6 coreuri sunt de fapy reale
da - sunt 6 core-uri, dar in msconfig, poti selecta nr de thread-uri efectiv.
Evident daca dezactivezi SMT in BIOS poti selecta max 6.
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Old 05-06-2020, 17:40   #948
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La mine e ceva ce mai trebuie lucrat pentru ca cu:

PPT [150]
TDC [100]
EDC 8 sau 10 sau 12
(c-states enabled)

al meu 3700x nu urca mai mult de 4200 all core si 4475 Mhz single core la performance.
La effective speed all core sunt sub 4200 Mhz undeva pe la 4133-4150 Mhz la o temperatura maxima de 76 grade C, cu single core undeva la 4250-4350 Mhz.

Am 3 rad-uri de 360 cu ventilatoare Corsair ML Pro care duse in 2000rpm tin procesorul la doar 75-76 grade C.
Stiu ca trebuie sub 70 grade C sa urce in frecventa.
PPT si TDC nu sar de 70% in load. De pus pe 0 cele 2 valori nu imi permite placa MSI X370 Pro Carbon doar AUTO sau de la 1 in sus.
M-am jucat si eu cu setarile astea.
Si da, creste putin frecventa pe 2700Xul meu, dar se duce naiba temperatura pentru ca baga 1.45-1.55V in el.
Cu PBO inchis am in medie in jocurile mele 4000Mhz 45-50ºC cu 1.325-1.331V si consum pe la 45-50W.
Cu PBO activat si setarile alea se intampla ceva ciudat. Creste temperatura pe la 50-60ºC, frecventa se duce la 4150Mhz dar voltajul e pe la 1.425-1.45V si consumul scade pe la 35W.

Nu inteleg de ce scade consumul dar creste temperatura, o fi de la voltajul pompat in plus. Dar daca e de la aia de ce nu creste si consumul ?
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Old 06-06-2020, 15:04   #949
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Eroare de senzor.
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Old 07-06-2020, 01:30   #950
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Unde vezi consumul? Cel raportat de AMD ryzen master?
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Old 07-06-2020, 01:52   #951
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Old 07-06-2020, 20:20   #952
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Unde vezi consumul? Cel raportat de AMD ryzen master?
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Ma gandeam ca poate trage mai multi A default x 1.3xx V = am mai multi W. Dar cu setarile de mai sus trage mult mai putini A x 1.4xx V dar nu suficient cat sa egaleze consumul fara PBO.
Si da, am ramas corijent la fizica
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Ryzen Burnout? https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ry...n-cpu-lifespan
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Old 09-06-2020, 20:25   #954
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Sa se lege de "fenomenul" descris mai sus de mine ? De abia astept sa ajung acasa la noapte si sa incerc ultima versiune de HWInfo.
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Old 09-06-2020, 21:22   #955
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Hw info 1.41,ryzen 1600x, 1,375v,4 ghz,softul zice 1,4 v, 100,8 A,power 122W. Nici o surpriza pana aici.
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CPU Power Reporting Deviation, acolo ce zice ?
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Should I worry?

Sistemul e în specs, PBO OFF, cpu vcore offset - 0,0500. Consider că am temp. normale, 60°C în jocuri, 70°C în Cinebench.

L.E. - în load e mai ok...
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Cica nu. Daca ai sub 100% ar fi ceva putred.
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A score of less than 100% means that your motherboard is under reporting the power consumption, which will make the CPU speed up, thus increasing the voltage and temperature in the end.
EDIT: 55% la mine cu PBO activat si 102% cu el inchis. Deci se explica fenomenul pe care l-am observat aici http://forum.lab501.ro/showpost.php?...&postcount=950
De ce aveam consumul raportat mai mic cu PBO activ decat inchis in ciuda temperaturii mai mari.
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Incarca sa activezi PBO si vezi ce zice HWInfo.
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@Hemisphere cu racire pe apa(360+240 rad) + PBO al meu ajunge pana in 70*C. 26*C ambient, a venit vara.
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Cica nu. Daca ai sub 100% ar fi ceva putred.@Hemisphere
Incarca sa activezi PBO si vezi ce zice HWInfo.
Cu PBO AUTO mi-au scăzut puțin temperaturile în idle.
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