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Old 20-06-2022, 14:39   #1
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Default Merita upgrade de la 1Rx16 single-rank la 1Rx8 dual-rank pentru IGP Ryzen 5600H?

Am un laptop cu Ryzen 5 5600H si o combinatie putin aiurea de RAM: 2 x 8GB DDR4 3200MHz, single-rank, CL22, 1Rx16 (cel original), am mai adaugat un 1Rx8.

Ma joc rar, cateva ore saptamanal de WoWS si utilizez IGP-ul Ryzen (am dezactivat NVidia din motive de zgomot si temperaturi). In WoWS imi scoate 45-60FPS@1080p, setari medii.

Merita sa trec la un kit dual-rank, CL20, 1Rx8? Se simte trecerea sau raman cu ce am acum?
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Old 20-06-2022, 15:13   #2
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Old 20-06-2022, 15:30   #3
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Depinde mult cat de tare vrei sa tragi de el.
Ma indoiesc ca 5600H ala poate sa traga tare de 1Rx8 pe integrata incat sa merite investitia.
Mai repede stai pe NVIDIA decat pe integrata dar daca temperatura nu o poti potoli in functie de producator unii au aplicatii cu diverse profile de power si racire si le poti instala utilitarele incat sa mai reduci din turbo la CPU sau chiar GPU. Ce model de laptop ai ?

Eu in secunda 2 am schimbat pe legion 5 pro cei 16GB 1R16 cu ce trebuie si am mai obtinut un mic boost care e binevenit. Apoi am abuzat de profile si am facut underclok maxim si OC in functie de TDP-ul profilelor, absolut niciodata nu ma joc pe profilul maxim pt ca se incinge degeaba in plus iar FPS tot pe acolo e (degeaba merge procu maxim)

Am testat de curand pe 5700G 16GB 1R16 cei stoc din legion vs 32GB 1R8 cei buni din legion si aveam in 1080p mediu superposition diferenta de scor de 500-600 pct dar e posibil sa fie si din cauza ca am dublat cantitatea de memorie de la CL22 3200 urcate la CL24 3800 am mai castigat undeva la 200-300PCT dar pe laptop nu poti face asta asa ca e irelevant.

Urmeaza sa-mi vina kit-ul de 32 Dual rank ca pot testate 32GB SR vs DR.

Daca ai bani GO, daca nu nu-ti bate capul.

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Old 20-06-2022, 16:28   #4
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Este un Lenovo Gaming IdeaPad 3 15ACH6 (8GB 1Rx16, i-am mai pus un 8GB 1Rx8, 3200MHz, CL22 ambele), Ryzen 5600h, NVidia GTX1650 4GB.
Utilizez Ryzen Controller ca sa tin CPU la maxim 80grade. Daca folosesc si placa video in jocuri ma deranjeaza zgomotul.
Cu NVidia dezactivata, IGP Ryzen pare racit corespunzator si e mai liniste cand ma joc. Sunt incantat, procesorul sta la maxim 82grade.

Pentru 10% performanta nu as plati 700lei pe un kit de RAM. Am pus toate info de RAM pe care le am pe jucarie. Cu ZenTimings se vede diferenta de configuratie(timpi) intre 1Rx16 si 1Rx8.
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Old 20-06-2022, 16:39   #5
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E maxim 10% in anumite cazuri.
https://www.vexio.ro/memorii-ram/kin...impact-single/

Sunt 2 modele HX si KF, HX nu prea l-am mai gasit. Vezi specs-urile pe net. Daca te multumesti cu 16GB iesi mai ieftin sau OLX daca gasesti.

~700 costa 32GB dar in cazul tau nu merita.
Nu stiu daca si Ideapad-ul tau are profile dar poti incerca sa pui Lenovo Hotkeys si Vantage si apoi te uiti in profile daca ti-a bagat profilele custom de producator.

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Old 20-06-2022, 16:51   #6
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Cel mai probabil ca modulele de 8GB sunt single-rank, la Ryzen mai castigi ceva cu dual-rank. Ma gandeam sa impusc 3 lucruri: single to double rank, CL22 to CL20 si 1Rx16 to 1Rx8.

Nu prea ma intereseaza viteza de procesare (e mai fasnet laptopul cu Ryzen 5600H si RAM la 3200MHz decat dektopul cu Ryzen 2600 si RAM la 2800MHz). Ma intereseaza daca as castiga ceva FPS cu IGP. Dar cum la placa video conteaza cel mai mult frecventa RAM, mare lucru nu as face cred.

Ideapad e low-end, nu are nimic in BIOS sau in Vantage. Cam asa arata Vantage.

Mda, cred ca renunt la upgrade RAM. Mai bine arunc 700lei ca sa fac upgrade la desktop de la 2600 la 5600/5600X si voi vedea acolo diferenta de viteza.
Va multumesc. Oricum inca sunt curios daca IGP e afectat mai mult sau mai putin de single/double rank, CL22/CL20 si 1Rx16/1Rx8...
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Old 20-06-2022, 18:42   #7
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Eu aveam 3700X si cand am luat laptop-ul cu 5800H la distanta de o saptamana mi-am luat 5800X pe PC pentru ca simteam cu tot cu OC ca se misca rau desktop-ul, la tine discrepanta e si mai mare deci castigi mult mai mult daca iti iei CPU la PC (cred ca mai are iubitel 5600 ieftin) decat sa dai pe memorie, eu unul asa as face cu 2 maini.

Mai cauta din cand in cand pe OLX ca mai apar anunturi cu memorii iar kingstoanele date de mine sunt cele mai ieftine si merg default la frecventele alea, tu trebuie sa iei memorii pt laptop care sa fie PNP default 3200 pt ca nu poti pune profilele in bios la laptop.

https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KF432S20IB_16.pdf

Pe 5700G a facut diferenta la frame-uri dintre aproape jucabile si jucabile dar are si iGPU-ul mai bun, 5600H ala nu stiu daca face diferenta, mai ai o varianta, iei de la emag pe viitor si daca nu e ce trebuie dai retur, ramii s-au ieftinit bine rau de tot, eu i-am luat cu 1100RON resigilati in plina pandemie... aia e... acum 32GB au pret de pomana si oricum nu ai ce face cu atata memorie nici daca esti utilizator de chrome ... hehe

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1R vs 2R parca era vreo 5-10% diferenta (gasesc articol anandtech sau techpowerup)
1Single vs DualChannel <30-50% ))

Daca ai pitici , cauti 2R/3200/CL cel mai mic/2x bucati )) si tragi maxim de el .
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S-au ieftinit (200lei 16GB la emag) si am cumparat 2 bucati.
Iata trecerea de la 2 x8GB 3200MHz, CL22, 1Rx16 la 2 x 16GB 3200MHz, CL20, 1Rx8
Am pus poze cu noile memorii.

Am facut teste cu Unigine Superposition si WoT Encore utilizand iGPU Radeon. Diferenta este mare la WoT Encore, nu imi dau seama de ce (oare ca in loc de 2GB mi-a alocat 4GB video RAM?).

LE: Am gasit, scosesem limitarea in Ryzen Controller (tin procesorul la Temperature limit 68 grade si TDP 15Watt). Am refacut testul cu limitarea si mi-au iesit 11605 puncte (de la 9872).
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