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Old 10-02-2017, 20:27   #4001
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8cores si TDP la 65W??? cu frecventa la 3.7GHz? Mi se pare incredibil, dar sper sa fie asa.
La pretul de 320$ e imbatabil.
vedem, sper sa fie adevarat.
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Old 10-02-2017, 21:07   #4002
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Conteaza mult si ipc-ul. Pentru gaming eu cred ca o sa iau varianta 6core cu HT, mi se pare cea mai de viitor. i5-ul deja face bottleneck, asadar un i5 cu HT nu e departe.
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Old 10-02-2017, 21:16   #4003
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Eu zic ca intai ar trebui sa vedem teste reale si preturi reale !
Si eu sunt destul de hotarat sa schimb platforma anul asta , fiindca ce vedeti la PC specs devine din ce in ce mai ,,old-ish''.

Singurele informatii concrete sunt data de lansare , tehnologia , frecventele (oarecum), etc, adica ce ne-a dat oficial AMD. Restul sunt inca ...sa spunem subiective.

Nu sunt fan Intel si nici AMD , desi am avut doar sisteme pe AMD , prin prisma faptului ca pentru gaming, nu aveam nevoie de performanta foarte buna a INTEL ci mai degraba de ceva bun la un pret foarte bun.

M-ar bucura daca AMD devine competitiv in zona high end , pentru ca doar asa putem vedea tehnologii noi , performanta mai buna si preturi mai decente .

La momentul asta , cred ca asta conteaza cel mai mult , nu cine are cel mai ,,jmecher'' procesor , sau cat costa acesta!
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Old 10-02-2017, 21:18   #4004
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Problema cea mai mare pe care o vad eu, cel putin in segmentul gaming, e ca un procesor ca i5, care era considerat aproape overkill pe 1080p pana acum putin timp, si unde un i3 facea fata cu brio, acum deja fac bottleneck. Performanta stagneaza de ani de zile, s-a ajuns sa ai nevoie de i7 pentru gaming fara bottleneck.
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Old 10-02-2017, 21:25   #4005
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Pe de o parte ai dreptate , dar nu toti ,,gamer-ii'' au Titan X pascal sau monitoare 4k , deci....Ori segmentul care cumpara I7 6900k si Titan X , la nivel de cumparatori e infim.Si nu toti gamer-ii vor j'de mii de frames per second ci doar un gameplay fluent .
Monitoarele de gaming sunt putin inaintea procesoarelor , poate (poti pune 3-4 placi video intr-un sistem de gaming , dar un singur procesor , sau poti avea aceasta configuratie pe 3-4-etc monitoare si tot un singur procesor), dar asta nu inseamna ca daca ceri 1100$ pe I7 6900k e ok, cand exista sansa sa ai aceeasi performanta la putin peste jumatate din pretul ala .

Sa vedem intai teste si preturi reale si apoi vorbim cu argumente palpabile .
Asta voiam sa spun.

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Old 10-02-2017, 23:50   #4006
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AMD's "X" Nomenclature on Upcoming Ryzen Chips Related To XFR Feature

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Essentialy, AMD's "X" nomenclature regarding its upcoming Ryzen chips seems to denote the presence or absence of their touted XFR (eXtended Frequency Range) feature. This is part of AMD's SenseMI Technology suite, which aims to bring higher, intelligent performance to their Ryzen chips through the use of some particular technologies. XFR as it is, appears to be an added, automated overclocking capability to the chip, going further than the Precision Boost clocks would usually allow, supposedly scaling with the cooling performance of the end user's machine. This would fall in nicely with the rated TDP's of the non-X processors being rated at 65 W, with the X-branded, XFR-enabled processors featuring a higher theoretical TDP limit in-line with the capabilities of the XFR feature. As such, while it is true that an AMD Ryzen R7 1700 chip would also have base and boost clocks, much like their 1700X counterpart, the 1700's boost capabilities are designed for the chip not to surpass this 65 W hard limit. The 1700X, however, would be able to dynamically overclock according to the environment and cooling efficiency of the end user's rig, thus allowing it to, in some cases, hit a theoretical power consumption peak at the rated 95 W.
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Old 11-02-2017, 19:16   #4007
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Si 1700X nici nu e top-ul AMD, forta AMD

AMD Ryzen 7 1700X CPU benchmarks leak
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Ar fi interesant de stiut daca turbo era on. E posibil sa fi fost off, tinand cont de rezultatele de acum 1 luna de la prezentarile AMD, unde era egal cu 6900k la 3.4 ghz flat, fara turbo.



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Old 11-02-2017, 20:47   #4009
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Deci undeva intre ivy si haswell ca IPC -10%ish fata de kaby. Pana acum totul e super.
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Old 11-02-2017, 20:59   #4010
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Deci undeva intre ivy si haswell ca IPC -10%ish fata de kaby. Pana acum totul e super.
As zice clar nivel de Broadwell, uita-te la 6800k, broadwell, scoate sub ryzen in single threaded, la acelasi base clock de 3.4 ghz.

Nu uita, din lista aia rezultatele nu sunt facute de acelasi om/aceleasi conditii. Sunt rezultate din passmark, facute de diverse persoane, deci nu stim la nici un CPU de acolo care erau conditiile de test si restul componentelor.

Eu vad IPC-ul pur pe la nivel de broadwell, dar e totul o ghicitoare acum, ne trebuie review-ul lui Monstru sa vedem cand testul e facut in conditii identice cum se claseaza.

Plus, acest Ryzen nu stim sigur daca merge cu turbo on sau off, in timp ce procesoarele Intel le aveau mai mult ca sigur on. Asta e inca o variabila din aceasta ecuatie .

Eu personal imi doream de mult un 8core rapid si ok ca pret, 1700x probabil o sa fie alegerea mea, pentru a avea tdp-ul marit, sa pot sa ii dau si OC serios. Good times coming.
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Old 11-02-2017, 21:34   #4011
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TDPul e o unitate de masura a coolerelor, cat caldura pot infrunta, cat de mult pot raci.
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Ar fi interesant de stiut daca turbo era on. E posibil sa fi fost off, tinand cont de rezultatele de acum 1 luna de la prezentarile AMD, unde era egal cu 6900k la 3.4 ghz flat, fara turbo.



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Old 11-02-2017, 21:44   #4013
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cand rulezi un test real, in aplicatii reale, gen Blender render benchmark, side by side cu 6900k, public si castigi, deja nu mai vorbim de slide-uri si grafice de marketing. Plus, presa a avut acces la testele facute acum 1 luna si le-au rulat si cu alte setari.

E o mare diferenta de cum au facut hype-ul la Bulldozer, cu smokeware ca sa zic asa vs public test-ul facut pentru Ryzen.
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TDPul e o unitate de masura a coolerelor, cat caldura pot infrunta, cat de mult pot raci.
O mica remarca. TDP-ul este caldura generata de chip-uri (GPU si CPU), in fuctie de TDP sunt concepute racitoarele (cooler). In rest, da, cam asta reprezinta overall.
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First AMD Ryzen 7 1700X benchmarks are here
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Old 11-02-2017, 23:53   #4016
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Daca se si overclockeaza decent, oh boy, abia astept.
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Foarte interesant. În CPUMark performanţa este all over the place, poate fi din cauza memoriilor.
Integer Math: foarte bună
Prime Numbers: slabă
Compression: bună
Physics: proastă
Single Threaded: acceptabilă (poate O/C să o ridice)
Floating Point: bună
Encryption: bună
Sorting: bună

Punctul "fierbinte" este capacitatea de overclocking.
Aici ar putea să se impună, cu condiţia să nu sugă enorm de mult voltaj.

Mă bucur că se compară 6800K cu 1700X, fiindcă tocmai ce am luat 6800K - măcar ştiu cum stă treaba.
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As zice clar nivel de Broadwell, uita-te la 6800k, broadwell, scoate sub ryzen in single threaded, la acelasi base clock de 3.4 ghz.

Nu uita, din lista aia rezultatele nu sunt facute de acelasi om/aceleasi conditii. Sunt rezultate din passmark, facute de diverse persoane, deci nu stim la nici un CPU de acolo care erau conditiile de test si restul componentelor.

Eu vad IPC-ul pur pe la nivel de broadwell, dar e totul o ghicitoare acum, ne trebuie review-ul lui Monstru sa vedem cand testul e facut in conditii identice cum se claseaza.

Plus, acest Ryzen nu stim sigur daca merge cu turbo on sau off, in timp ce procesoarele Intel le aveau mai mult ca sigur on. Asta e inca o variabila din aceasta ecuatie .

Eu personal imi doream de mult un 8core rapid si ok ca pret, 1700x probabil o sa fie alegerea mea, pentru a avea tdp-ul marit, sa pot sa ii dau si OC serios. Good times coming.
Ar fi extraordinar dar cred ca e undeva intre 5-10 mai slab.
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Ideea este ca aveam ceva competitivitate si forteaza intel sa ofere mai mult sau sa mai scada din preturi...
Sunt incantat de relansarea AMD ...

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