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Old 09-06-2019, 18:03   #7161
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La câte nuclee se preconizează, mai e necesar înjumătățirea lor pentru a putea fi utilizate de jocuri?
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:05   #7162
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Desi sansele sa trec in tabara intel tind la zero... Sunt curios cum e situatia vs intel. Ce frecvente la memorie suporta noua serie prin fiecare model in parte, cat si, daca s-a pastrat sporul de performanta adus de frecventa memoriei.

Dar mai ales sunt curios cum arata noile 12-16core vs seria threadripper 2000.
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:21   #7163
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Cred ca putem presupune deja ca nu vor mai fi Threadripper cu 12 core-uri. Zic si eu.
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Old 10-06-2019, 12:29   #7164
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Sunt 4 CCX fiecare avand 4 nuclee. La cea de top vor fi toate enabled, la 12 core se va dezactiva cate un nucleu din fiecare CCX, la 8 core se vor dezactiva 2 din fiecare CCX, la 6 core habar nu am. Frecvente memorie ... 4000+ pe aer usurel, pentru validari extreme ... peste cinci mii. Peste threadripper categoric, imbunatatiri c/c si mai ales avx, dar tot sub intel la aceste intructiuni.

Pentru a maximiza frecventa ram... evident placi de baza X570 care nu vor fi ieftine, acelasi nivel de pret cu gama z390, do the math....
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Old 10-06-2019, 13:13   #7165
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1. Cand iese 16 core si ce pret va avea?
2. High FPS gaming, cum va fi 8 core vs intel?
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Old 10-06-2019, 13:19   #7166
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Un chiplet are 2 CCX-uri?

La 8 core nu merge sa puna doar un chiplet cu 2 CCX-uri (8 core-uri), in loc sa foloseasca 2 chiplet-uri si sa dezactiveze jumatate?
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Old 10-06-2019, 13:49   #7167
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Da, probabil ca da, dar cel putin la lansare asa va fi. Plus ca are sens, cu cat sunt mai rarefiate cu atat e mai bine pentru disiparea caldurii, pot sa ofere boost mai mare.

mbc, o sa iasa la la 1-2 luni dupa 12 core, pretul nu se stie, cel mai probabil 700-800, undeva pe acolo.

high-fps gaming.... am mai spus deja, in jocuri nu se vede sportul de ipc, rezulta ca o sa castige cine are frecventa mai mare....Intel.

Oricum, nu vad de ce un gamer si-ar lua 12 sau 16 core, total irelevant pentru acest aspect. Daca faci ceva parai cu pc-ul, atunci da, totul bine, daca vrei jocuri mai mult...orice 8700K dus la 5 ghz merge bine mersi.

In orice caz, raspunsul Intel va fi un 10-core pe z390 la care se lucreaza intens si se spera a fi lansat pana la sfarsitul anului. Probabil la acelasi pret cu 9900K.
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Old 10-06-2019, 13:53   #7168
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Partea buna la 16 core e ca siliciul care ajunge pe el o sa fie cherry picked, creme de la creme din ce poate ajunge pe Ryzen pana in 95% din best of ale chiplet-urilor. De-aia l-au si anuntat cu delay, sa vada care-s ratele de reusita ale procesului de fabricatie, si sa vada cate jucarii de-astea pot produce.
Restul de 5% (ăle mai bune) se duc in Threadripper care acum va fi exclusiv pentru super heavy duty pro usage. Adica in special randari 3D, simulari, etc. Eu care fac Photoshop/Premiere, hai AfterFX o sa ma super multumesc cu 3950x si n-o sa merite Threadripper. Mai bine 3950X si 128GB ram in loc de TR cu 64gb.
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Old 10-06-2019, 13:57   #7169
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Nu, nu o sa fie nici un cherry-picked waka-waka, ajung cele care sunt 100% functionale, rebuturile cu defecte merg la 12, 8 core.

Nu e anuntat acum pentru ca fac si ei un pic de trolling cu Intel. Nu ai ce sa faci cu Threadripper. Special in Premiere noile proace sunt mult mai ok fata de vechile threadripper.
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Old 10-06-2019, 13:59   #7170
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8 core-urile nu erau cu un singur chiplet? parca asa spuneau.
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Old 10-06-2019, 14:08   #7171
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Daca erau la aceeasi frecventa boost cu 12core as fi zis ca e acelasi lucru cu ala din 12core, dar au si frecventa mai mare out of the box, deci teoretic siliciul e mai fain. Da, nu e mare diferenta de frecventa, dar este.

Ramane de vazut cum lucreaza core-urile, ca la Threadripper 2990WX aveai in unele cazuri performanta mai mica decat cu 2950 because pitong. Si cum se overclock-eaza.

Oricum, ca performanta/watt sunt light years in fata Intel.
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Si cum se overclock-eaza.

La fel de prost ca si pana acum
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Intr-un fel ma asteptam la asta, oricum au ridicat serios frecventele fata de generatia trecuta. Dar imi place sa ma las purtat de val de "leak-uri". A bit of daydreaming won't hurt. )
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Old 10-06-2019, 14:54   #7174
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La fel de prost ca si pana acum
Exista vreo speranta de OC stabil pentru BCLK? (2700X-ul mergea bine cu 103Mhz si PBO activat - ajungea la aprox 4.5Ghz in boost)
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Old 10-06-2019, 15:07   #7175
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La fel ca si pana acum, daca placa are generator de tact extern o sa mearga mai mult...oricum, la bclk peste 103 pierzi porturile sata, daca vrei oc la bclk mai bun e nevoie de ssd nvme.

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Asadar daca Ryzen 1xxx mergeau la 3.9-4.0 Ghz, Ryzen 2xxx la 4.1-4.2 Ghz asteptarea e ca Ryzen 3xxx sa mearga la 4.4-4.5 Ghz. All core overclock.

Eu asta inteleg.
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La fel ca si pana acum, daca placa are generator de tact extern o sa mearga mai mult...oricum, la bclk peste 103 pierzi porturile sata, daca vrei oc la bclk mai bun e nevoie de ssd nvme.

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Old 10-06-2019, 16:32   #7178
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Am vazut poza asta pe un grup de masini si mi s-a parut relevanta si aici.

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Tehnic vorbind, CCD-urile din 16 core sunt cel mai bun bin posibil, pentru ca trebuie sa mearga la frecventa mare cu acelasi consum. La 3 noaptea ar trebui sa am doua articole cu majoritatea detaliilor...
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